Posted on 03/18/2012 9:10:06 PM PDT by Fred
U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, a leading vice presidential favorite for many Republicans, says he doesn’t think that Newt Gingrich or anybody else should be told to quit the contentious GOP presidential race.
In an interview with the Tampa Bay Times, Rubio said he’s not concerned about presidential process dragging on too long, and that the election will be “reframed” once the Republicans have their candidate.
“I don’t think anybody should be told to drop out,” Rubio said. “I think people should run until they feel that either they don’t want to continue or they don’t see a path to victory. I’ve never [believed] in asking people to drop out of a race because I had a bunch of people ask me to drop out of a race.”
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He’s as much an American citizen as my children who were born in the United States of a forgein born mother. And he can run for President, or be selected as Vice President and your interpretation of the issue is not going to change that.
Drool on.
Your cockamamie definition of NBC will not suffice to remove the current president.
Nor should it have anything to do with whom we might select to go up against him or his ilk.
Thank you.
We’re not discussing citizenship when the subject is ‘natural born citizen’.
Three types of citizenship are recognized by our government: native born; naturalized; and citizen-by-statute. All have equal rights. All can serve in Congress, either as a Representative in the House, or as a Senator in the Senate.
The following link will take you to the government’s own Immigration Service web page describing the three types of citizenship.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD
Natural Born Citizen is NOT a type of statutory citizenship as per the Federal Government. Natural Born is ONLY an eligibility requirement for the U.S. Presidency per Article II, Section 1, clause 5, of the U.S. Constitution, and requires, as per the Founders, the President to be born in the United States (jus solis) AND of citizen parents (jus sanguinas).
No one has the RIGHT to be President. The eligibility requirement of Natural Born Citizenship (jus solis + jus sanguinas: born in the U.S. of U.S. citizen parents) must be viewed as a means to prevent split allegiance for any President of the United States.
Three types of citizenship are recognized by our government: native born; naturalized; and citizen-by-statute. All have equal rights. All can serve in Congress, either as a Representative in the House, or as a Senator in the Senate.
The following link will take you to the government’s own Immigration Service web page describing the three types of citizenship.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD
Natural Born Citizen is NOT a type of statutory citizenship as per the Federal Government. Natural Born is ONLY an eligibility requirement for the U.S. Presidency per Article II, Section 1, clause 5, of the U.S. Constitution, and requires, as per the Founders, the President to be born in the United States (jus solis) AND of citizen parents (jus sanguinas).
No one has the RIGHT to be President. The eligibility requirement of Natural Born Citizenship (jus solis + jus sanguinas: born in the U.S. of U.S. citizen parents) must be viewed as a means to prevent split allegiance for any President of the United States.”
MY COMMENT: Doughty, FYI Look at this post and follow the link. You will see that (born in the U.S.A of citizen parents is the requirement.
GOOD POST SatinDoll!! Furthermore if the GOP would require the eligibility issue to be settled for it's candidates the the media would have to cover it and the general public would become informed.
Cheers:>) EasyDoesIt
Thank you for the detailed response. However the discussion is not one of US citizenship. Your linked article clearly states that as follows:
“To become a citizen at birth, you must:
Have been born in the United States or certain territories or outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; OR
had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements”
Note the word “OR”. SO, you can be a US citizen regardless of parent’s status. Assuming Obama was born in Hawaii, that makes him and also Rubio both US Citizens.
The real question is are they eligible with the NBC requirement to be elected president. Since Obama’s father never acquired US citizenship, and Obama remains a duly elected president with no objection from SCOTUS or the congress, a precedence is being set as to who is NBC. What the authorities seem to be saying is if you are born in US of legal resident parents, you are eligible.
Personally I do not like it. You should be born of BOTH parents to be US citizens to be NBC. But we can not fight the SCOTUS and congress setting a precedence. Unless SCOTUS takes up this issue, the Obama eligibility becomes the rule.
Have been born in the United States or certain territories or outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; or...
I don't happen to believe the 14th Amendment justifies the children of illegal immigrants born here being considered U. S. Citizens. Unfortunately, that has been the accepted meaning for a long long time.
As for a right to be president, I would agree.
As for a right to run for president, I do not agree.
Santorum supporters don’t need no stinkin’ sources. /s
Romney was “endorsed in practice if not in declaration.”
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That’s not a good enough reason to go on the world-wide web and announce that Marco Rubio had endorsed Romney. Sometimes on here we are curt, angry, smug, funny, sarcastic, etc., etc., etc....BUT, WE MUST ALWAYS BE HONEST!!!
As the link shows there is no such thing as a citizen category called Natural Born. However as SatinDoll pointed out it is a requirement to be eligible to run for President.
Here is her post again. Take another look and you will see what I am saying.
SatinDoll wrote: “We’re not discussing citizenship when the subject is ‘natural born citizen’.
Three types of citizenship are recognized by our government: native born; naturalized; and citizen-by-statute. All have equal rights. All can serve in Congress, either as a Representative in the House, or as a Senator in the Senate.
The following link will take you to the government’s own Immigration Service web page describing the three types of citizenship.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD
Natural Born Citizen is NOT a type of statutory citizenship as per the Federal Government. Natural Born is ONLY an eligibility requirement for the U.S. Presidency per Article II, Section 1, clause 5, of the U.S. Constitution, and requires, as per the Founders, the President to be born in the United States (jus solis) AND of citizen parents (jus sanguinas).
No one has the RIGHT to be President. The eligibility requirement of Natural Born Citizenship (jus solis + jus sanguinas: born in the U.S. of U.S. citizen parents) must be viewed as a means to prevent split allegiance for any President of the United States.”
I hope this clears up my meaning. I’m sorry for not make myself clear to begin with.
Cheers:>) EasyDoesIt
Rubio said he's not concerned about presidential process dragging on too long, and that the election will be "reframed" once the Republicans have their candidate.
Surely, isn’t an endorsement in practice even stronger than an endorsement in declaration? Did you not observe on how Rubio ripped into Gingrich calling his ads false but kept silent on the whole barrage of anti-Gingrich ads which were indeed false and Rubio remained completely muted. We also are not neophytes here on FR.
We know for sure that neither of Rubio’s parents was a citizen at the time he was born.
If both his parents were LEGAL residents in United States, and if Rubio was born on US soil, then Rubio is NBC based on precedence set by Obama. And Rubio’s birth certificate is not secret, unlike Obama’s which was kept under wraps until Trump made a big stink about it. Many experts have opined that the Obama BC is manufactured. Not so with Rubio’s BC.
Eazdzit, I’m not trying to give you a hard time, and I don’t want an apology from you at all. I’m not unhappy with you. I’m just interested to see how the government site you linked me to bears on the issue in question. See your Government site reference here: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD
I went there, didn’t see anything pertaining to the presidency. I actually searched for the words ‘president’ and ‘presidency’ in there to see if I had missed something, and didn’t find one instance of either.
If you think that the U. S. Constitution clarifies this, then I would urge you to link to Article II, Section I, Clause IV. Here’s a link to that. (please see Paragraph V. @:) http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
In that paragraph it states...
“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
Here it does not preclude children (people) who were born on U. S. soil to foreign nationals.
So you linked me to a government web page that does not clarify the issue. You also mentioned a portion of the U. S. Constitution covering this issue that does not clarify the issue.
That’s all I’m saying. I don’t see the justification for your and or SatinDoll’s comment that children born on U. S. soil, whose parents were not citizens, cannot be considered natural born citizens. You may both be right. I just don’t see justification for that perception at this point.
To my way of thinking, it is an absurdity on top of an absurdity to think that children born to illegal aliens are not only considered citizens, but may also be eligible to run for the presidency. None the less, I do not see anything precluding this to be true.
This being the case, I welcome some form of rebuttal that indicates my take on this is wrong. My take is that our Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches would not strike down such a child’s ultimate eligibility.
I’m not trying to put words into SatinDoll’s mouth here either. If she didn’t make the case you are, then I apologize to her. And to you I admit she may have said it on this very thread. I just didn’t review her comments here since she didn’t address me directly.
I await your response.
Take care.
I had meant to to back and add your pseudonym in the “To:” section in the above post, but I forgot before posting. Please be advised that you may wish to address the above post.
I wanted to mention to the both of you, that when I posted #s 35 and 36 here, I had not expected to see the Admin Moderator’s comments 00:01:18 later on another thread. It was not my intent to post something you would not able to respond to.
I apologize.
Admin Moderator’s post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/gop/2860542/posts?page=49#49
Please see the above post. I had meant to address Satindoll and YOU there.
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In my mind it is all about what or how a person puts meaning to ‘natural born citizen’ which is an explicit statement/qualification given in the Constitution as you have quoted. For me I consider the extensive recorded debates and comments of the Founders to mean qualification requires citizen parents ‘and’ being born on the soil of the parents citizenship; in the immediate situation USA soil. I have in my lifetime taken civics and history courses that tell me this is what the Founders intended. I believe this wholeheartedly even though my brother who was killed on Okinawa and I also a vet of WWII would not be eligible for POTUSA because our parents were not naturalized citizens.
I appreciate your comments, but if you’ll look up a few posts, you’ll see where I addressed a post by the Admin Moderator.
If I were going to discuss this with you, it would be along the lines of the very argument you raise, Founders vs current public interpreters. There seems to be a wide chasm there.
Take care.
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