Posted on 02/20/2012 4:56:52 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion
Rick Santorum's claim that the Netherlands advocates mass murder through involuntary euthanasia has prompted a furious backlash from the Western European country, with local news sources calling the Republican a "crazy extreme" candidate making up facts to stir up his political base.
"Rick Santorum Thinks He Knows the Netherlands: Murder of the Elderly on a Grand Scale" fumed the headline of the newspaper NRC Handelsblad on Saturday.
The article references an interview, barely played up by the American press, in which Santorum claims that euthanasia makes up "10 percent of all deaths" in the Netherlands," and that many of those people were essentially murdered by the state.
(Excerpt) Read more at ibtimes.com ...
Santorum on Schiavo (March 17, 2005)
Santorum is a cosponsor of legislation that guarantees legal protections for incapacitated persons, like Terri Schiavo. The Incapacitated Person’s Legal Protection Act of 2005, authored by Senator Mel Martinez (R-FL), balances the acknowledged right of a person to refuse consent to medical treatment with the right to consent to treatment to preserve life...
You add that number to the admitted number of EUTHANASIA cases and you've got your 10% Fur Shur.
The Dutch are doing that WITHOUT HYDRATION. That definitely crosses over to murder in virtually every civilized country.
That scares me too. Not so much for myself and (absolutely no offense) you but for our children, grandchildren and future generations. I don’t know how much more we can go down the moral sliding board. I feel like an idiot for bashing Perry over debates when he is as moral as Santorum.....the things we get wrong in life. UGH. Anyway, no matter what I just hope that the President will be a million times better than the turd in the White House. As you know, I can be “passionate” when discussing this particular primary but if Newt somehow gets the nomination....you do know he gets my vote. Please at least believe me on that. All the other bullshit (lol) that I spew is over the top but getting rid of the creeper in the White House is no bullshit. Take care FRiend....we are almost over with this primary (well Summer I guess) and I will be back to normal again. :-) Well as normal as I can be.....
Acually, the Santorums were following a pretty standard medical-psychologic protocol for dealing with term or close-term stillborns, especially when young at-home children are involved. Every birth has precedent anticipation, joy, excitement. the new baby, before it is born, is talked about, prepared for, in a certain way, loved, as parents try to prepare their children for the new addition.
Coming home from the hospital “empty-handed” would have raised a lot of issues, possibly longterm, dealing with loss, and separation, and closure. This way, the children had a first, fairly healthy experience with a natural death, someone they may not have known, but whom they would separate from... and some of his children may have been at particularly vulnerable ages. The yucky part most people think of is that the baby must have been stiff as a board, blue, etc. But the body is actually prepared with suppling enhancers and lots of chemicals, so it is really more like a baby doll with even a little flexibility. I do salute the Santorums for doing it this way, it was enlightened and courageous, and the children at home, waiting, have a good chance of this being a relatively trauma-free first experience with death. It must have been excruciating for both of the parents.
Has it occurred to you to read any of my posts in this thread?
Why don’t you do that, then get back to me when you find the answers to your questions.
Listen, I hear you, but they don’t know any better. They are politically shallow, and they all vote.
I hope they consider Newt, and I hope that they will in fact vote for whomever Obama’s opponent ends up being rather than sitting out in protest.
Mariner, I get it....you are a Newt guy. You spend a lot of time showing what you perceive as Santorum’s weaknesses. That’s fine. I like both Newt and Rick....I still wish we had a stronger candidate than either of them, but we don’t.
Fact is, Santorum is right on this one. Netherlands is a mess. What they are doing over there doesn’t even begin to compare with what you just described. This is where we are headed someday with our govt run health care.
Santorum got into this race because of the Health care act. He actually seems to know his stuff on this issue. Whether he becomes president or not, he is opening a lot of eyes as to what we are entering into. For that, I am grateful.
Well I guess the dutch can’t stand the truth.
Mariner, I get it....you are a Newt guy. You spend a lot of time showing what you perceive as Santorum’s weaknesses. That’s fine. I like both Newt and Rick....I still wish we had a stronger candidate than either of them, but we don’t.
Fact is, Santorum is right on this one. Netherlands is a mess. What they are doing over there doesn’t even begin to compare with what you just described. This is where we are headed someday with our govt run health care.
Santorum got into this race because of the Health care act. He actually seems to know his stuff on this issue. Whether he becomes president or not, he is opening a lot of eyes as to what we are entering into. For that, I am grateful.
Some of us don't fear pain though, so any use of morphine would be to kill us. I have some orders out on that part BTW. No DOPE. But that's just me.
Ethical pain control does not include total suppression of breathing. Unethical pain control would be to sedate someone and then withdraw hydration.
What it does Fur Shur is eliminate your trust of any doctor anywhere for any purpose. I do my own followup research into scientific papers on anything my doctor tells me.
Koninkrijk der Nederlanden ~ is, in short form, “Nederland”.
[Murder is murder ~ most of your garden variety sinners don’t get involved in that ~ maybe you do, but not the rest of us. I don’t kill babies either, nor do I approve of that practice ~ so utterly primitive and barbaric.]
So if that is the case, Santorum should campaign 24/7 against abortion and euthanasia as his only platform element because that far trumps economic reform even as we collapse under the welfare state. And Santorum should make his pronouncements global, he should come out and say he will go to war to stop abortion and euthanasia worldwide, no matter what the cost at home - forget economics. Unlike murderers like me who believe there are limits to what one can do to create a perfect world since none of us are God, you no doubt believe economic issues are meaningless and we should be on a perpetual crusade.
Good luck with winning elections that way.
The political season is making all of us crazier than usual; it’s because we all can see how imperative/critical this election is. I too am in fear for my family, my grandbaby etc. but one thing I know beyond any doubt what so ever and that is, God is in charge. We may not be able to see it but it is the assurance of His Word that will sustain us. Believe that and take comfort in the fact that our heavenly Father, in spite of our failings, loves us and will not forsake us.
And I do believe you and it is the same with me. Either Rick or Newt; if either gets the nod, they have my vote. If Romney gets the nod...well that thought is so despicable, I don’t want to cross that bridge unless necessary.
((naps))
It’s not the subject matter, it is how Santorum approaches it, with figures that are dubious, overblown statements, using lots of hot button words, and in essence fear-mongering. Those wrist bands he is talking about, are the equivalent of our DNR tags for terminal patients, some of whom are yet somewhat ambulatory. Do Not Resuscitate if found in cardio or pulmonary extremis, or Do Resuscitate; there is nothing provocative about them, a medical identifier for the chronically and terminally ill - he made it sound like individuals were at risk of being hauled off and euthanized without their consent... and their wrist bands were all that stood between them and being involuntarily offed...it is much more involved than that...
If you go to Newt’s Health Transformations, which has been tackling issues like this for years, especially Alzheimer’s research, and other end-of-life concerns, there is a virtual library of research and thought, by professionals considered experts in the field. In-depth, state-of-the-art medical solutions, and applying them in a conservative fashion... only that is not as flashy or headline grabbing as what Santorum is doing... Newt’s supporters have one basic belief, that eventually the cream rises to the top... and if you’ve done your homework, it will eventually count.
I hope she does not have your brother's POA.
I think you just nailed it.
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