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Iranian ships reach Syria, China warns of civil war
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Posted on 02/20/2012 6:12:59 AM PST by nuconvert

China accused Western countries of stirring civil war in Syria and two Iranian warships docked at a Syrian naval base, underscoring rising international tensions over the near year-long crisis.

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"Hama is cut off from the outside world. There are no landlines, no mobile phone network and no internet. House to house arrests take place daily and sometimes repeatedly in the same neighborhoods," an opposition statement said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: assad; bombbombbombbombiran; china; france; germany; iran; israel; lebanon; pakistan; russia; syria; turkey; unitedkingdom
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1 posted on 02/20/2012 6:13:03 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
China accused Western countries of stirring civil war in Syria...

It wasn't only Syria.

2 posted on 02/20/2012 6:17:01 AM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks nuconvert.
3 posted on 02/20/2012 6:25:50 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

They are late to the party......

BEIRUT/CAIRO/PARIS: Government forces clashed with opponents of President Bashar Assad in cities and rural areas across Syria Tuesday, as Arab officials confirmed that regional governments would be ready to arm the resistance if the bloodshed does not come to and end.

Pro-opposition neighborhoods in the western city of Homs, heart of the uprising against Assad’s 11-year-rule, suffered bombardment for the 11th day running.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported 20 people killed across the country Tuesday, including opposition supporters, civilians and five government soldiers who were shot in clashes with rebels in the town of Qalaat al-Madyaq in the restive Hama area.

Syria’s official news agency, SANA, said 13 soldiers were laid to rest Tuesday after they fell in clashes with “armed gangs” in Homs, Ildib and the countryside near Damascus.

Meanwhile, thousands of Assad supporters took to the streets in Latakia Tuesday to support the president’s planned reforms and denounce foreign interference in Syria, SANA reported.

With Assad oblivious to international condemnation of his campaign to crush the revolt, Arab countries led by Saudi Arabia prepared for a new resolution at the U.N. in the next few days to support a peace plan forged at a meeting in Cairo Sunday.

But Arab League diplomats said that arming the opposition forces was now officially an option.

A resolution that was passed at the meeting urged Arabs to “provide all kinds of political and material support” to the opposition.

This would allow arms transfers, they confirmed to Reuters.

“We will back the opposition financially and diplomatically in the beginning but if the killing continues, civilians must be helped to protect themselves. The resolution gives Arab states all options to protect the Syrian people,” an Arab ambassador said in Cairo.

The threat of military support was meant to add pressure on the Syrian leader and his Russian and Chinese allies but it also risks leading to a Libya-style conflict or sectarian civil war.

Smuggled guns are already filtering into Syria but it is not clear whether Arab or other governments are behind the deliveries. Weapons and Sunni Muslim insurgents are also crossing from Iraq into Syria, Iraqi officials and arms dealers said.

Assad, whose Alawite-minority family has ruled the mainly Sunni Muslim country for 42 years, is trying to stamp out pro-democracy demonstrations and insurgent attacks. He dismisses his opponents as terrorists backed by enemy nations in a regional power-play and says he will introduce reforms on his own terms.

While the uprising initially involved rallies by civilians, armed insurrection by the Free Syrian Army, made up largely of army defectors, is increasingly coming into play.

The government says at least 2,000 members of its military and security forces have died and the U.N. says its forces have killed 6,000 people.

In Homs, a strategic city on the highway between Damascus and commercial hub Aleppo, the pro-opposition neighborhood of Baba Amro was struck at dawn by the heaviest shelling in five days, the Syria Observatory for Human Rights said.

Six people were killed, it said, adding to an estimated toll of more than 400 since the assault began on Feb.3

“They are hitting the same spots several times, making venturing out there impossible. The shelling was heavy in the morning and now it is one rocket every 15 minutes or so,” activist Hussein Nader said by satellite phone.

Another opposition activist, Mohammad al-Homsi, said the humanitarian situation was getting worse, with food and fuel short and prices soaring. Army roadblocks had been set up around opposition districts, Homsi said from the city.

In Rankous, a rural town near Damascus, many residents had fled from government shelling, activist Ibn Al-Kalmoun said. Bombardments were also reported in the town of Rastan.

In other action reported by activists, security forces and army defectors clashed near Aleppo, where the government appears to have strong support. Three people were killed there.

Two people were killed in a skirmish between rebels and government forces in Bou Kamal, in Deir al-Zour province, they said, and arrest campaigns continued in the Jabal al-Zawiya region.

Foreign media have to rely on unverified activists’ accounts because the Syrian government restricts access. But reports from neutral international organizations confirm a general picture of widespread violence.

The Syrian Foreign Ministry rejected criticism from U.N. Human Rights Commissioner Navi Pillay, who in a speech to the U.N. General Assembly Monday accused Assad of launching an indiscriminate attack on civilians. “The High Commissioner has become a tool in the hands of some countries that are targeting Syria and are ignoring the terrorist crimes committed by armed groups,” it said.

At the United Nations, diplomats said a draft General Assembly resolution, supporting the Arab League plan and calling for the appointment of a joint U.N.-Arab League envoy on Syria, could be put to a vote Wednesday or Thursday.

The resolution, seen by Reuters, is similar to a Security Council draft vetoed by Russia and China on Feb. 4 that condemned the Assad government and called on him to step aside.

There are no vetoes in General Assembly votes and its decisions are not legally binding.

An Arab League proposal that a joint Arab-U.N. peacekeeping mission be sent to Syria elicited a guarded response from Western powers, which are wary of becoming bogged down militarily in Syria. It was rejected by Assad’s government.

Russia, Assad’s main ally and arms supplier, showed little enthusiasm, saying it could not support a peacekeeping mission unless both sides stopped the violence.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in Washington that the peacekeeper proposal would be tough to get through, given Russian and Chinese support for Damascus.

The head of Egypt’s influential seat of Islamic learning, Al-Azhar, called Tuesday for bold Arab action to stop the Syrian government’s “hellish killing machine” while scolding China and Russia for blocking a peace plan in the U.N. Security Council.

Grand Imam Ahmad al-Tayeb, head of the Cairo-based institution, also urged Syrian protesters to refrain from turning their struggle into an armed confrontation two days after Arab League diplomats suggested that arming opposition forces could be an option.

“The situation now, brothers, no longer needs statements to condemn and criticize, but it is in desperate need of urgent, serious, and bold action from the Arabs,” Tayeb added, without giving details of what kind of action he sought.

“I call on the human conscience to stop this hellish killing machine that works to shed blood. It must be stopped.”

Meanwhile, the Syrian National Council, the main opposition group, said it would meet Wednesday in Doha to choose a new leader or extend the term of current head Burhan Ghalioun.

“We are meeting tomorrow in Doha to choose a president. There will be several candidates and we want to take an independent decision, without external interference,” SNC spokeswoman Basma Kodmani told AFP by telephone from Doha.

She said the group wanted to make a choice based on who would do the best job and not on “denominational etiquette.”

Kodmani said the council’s rules require it to choose its leader every three months. “In general there is a rotation, but there can be exceptions,” she said.

According to several sources within the SNC, three candidates have emerged for the leadership: Ghalioun, the leader since the SNC’s founding last October, Kodmani and George Sabra, a long-time dissident.

The SNC is hoping to win recognition abroad as Syria’s legitimate authority.

Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2012/Feb-15/163327-arab-states-ready-to-arm-syrian-resistance.ashx#ixzz1mvpARDsy
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)


4 posted on 02/20/2012 6:32:34 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: nuconvert; All
China accused Western countries of stirring civil war in Syria...

China is America's enemy.

Yet our politicians have shipped ALL of our technology ,manufacturing base, and jobs to China.Thanks Obama for nothing. China has stolen our technology and American politicians have aided China in this theft. How can we defend ourselves against this communist enemy if we are dependent on them for technology and manufacturing?

NOW we the U.S.A have lost the ability to manufacture high tech products and we are on the verge of economic collapse due to debt and no manufacturing:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/08/17/why-amazon-cant-make-a-kindle-in-the-usa/

Amazon couldn’t’t make a Kindle here if it wanted to

Decades of outsourcing manufacturing have left U.S. industry without the means to invent the next generation of high-tech products that are key to rebuilding its economy, as noted by Gary Pisano and Willy Shih in a classic article, “Restoring American Competitiveness” (Harvard Business Review, July-August 2009)

The U.S. has lost or is on the verge of losing its ability to develop and manufacture a slew of high-tech products. Amazon’s Kindle 2 couldn’t be made in the U.S., even if Amazon wanted to:

* The flex circuit connectors are made in China because the US supplier base migrated to Asia.
* The electrophoretic display is made in Taiwan because the expertise developed from producting flat-panel LCDs migrated to Asia with semiconductor manufacturing.
* The highly polished injection-molded case is made in China because the U.S. supplier base eroded as the manufacture of toys, consumer electronics and computers migrated to China.
* The wireless card is made in South Korea because that country became a center for making mobile phone components and handsets.
* The controller board is made in China because U.S. companies long ago transferred manufacture of printed circuit boards to Asia.
* The Lithium polymer battery is made in China because battery development and manufacturing migrated to China along with the development and manufacture of consumer electronics and notebook computers.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/08/17/why-amazon-cant-make-a-kindle-in-the-usa/

he U.S.A was rising when the U.S. didn't trade with China during the 40 years of the Cold war. The minute the U.S.A started Trading with China then the U.S. decline began. Restart the Cold War with China. China has always been our enemy. They are the main threat. China has been waging economic war against the U.S. for 2 decades: look at Detroit as no bombing campaign could have destroyed it more than China has already.

5 posted on 02/20/2012 6:37:34 AM PST by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: ILS21R

China accused Western countries of stirring civil war in Syria...

China is America’s enemy.

Yet our politicians have shipped ALL of our technology ,manufacturing base, and jobs to China.Thanks Obama for nothing. China has stolen our technology and American politicians have aided China in this theft. How can we defend ourselves against this communist enemy if we are dependent on them for technology and manufacturing?

NOW we the U.S.A have lost the ability to manufacture high tech products and we are on the verge of economic collapse due to debt and no manufacturing:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/08/17/why-amazon-cant-make-a-kindle-in-the-usa/

Amazon couldn’t’t make a Kindle here if it wanted to

Decades of outsourcing manufacturing have left U.S. industry without the means to invent the next generation of high-tech products that are key to rebuilding its economy,

The U.S. has lost or is on the verge of losing its ability to develop and manufacture a slew of high-tech products. Amazon’s Kindle 2 couldn’t be made in the U.S., even if Amazon wanted to:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/08/17/why-amazon-cant-make-a-kindle-in-the-usa/

U.S.A was rising when the U.S. didn’t trade with China during the 40 years of the Cold war. Restart the Cold War with China


6 posted on 02/20/2012 6:40:26 AM PST by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: bert

Assad saw what happened in Libya and Egypt. He knows his back is against the wall. He either kills/expels his opponents or he and his entire clan will die.


7 posted on 02/20/2012 6:43:27 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: PapaBear3625

3 different situations.

1. In Egypt, we had an ally that Obama sold out.
2. In Libya, we had no skin in the game so we helped Europe.
3. In Syria, we have an enemy who Obama needs replaced by the Brotherhood but cannot do anything less he be known as a war monger. In an election year.


8 posted on 02/20/2012 6:51:46 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Most Conservative in the Primary, the Republican Nominee in the General.)
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To: nuconvert

Is Iran unloading more soldiers and weapons, or, deploying assets to withdraw their soldiers at a moments notice??


9 posted on 02/20/2012 7:28:22 AM PST by Steven Tyler
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10 posted on 02/20/2012 7:31:32 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: bert

Thanks bert, this is clearly already the case:
Arab officials confirmed that regional governments would be ready to arm the resistance if the bloodshed does not come to and end.

11 posted on 02/20/2012 7:33:01 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Democrat_media

Not just Obama’s fault. the process has been underway since
Nixon met Mr Mao.


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13 posted on 02/20/2012 7:44:14 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: bert
20 people killed across the country Tuesday

The pikers, they can do better than that.

14 posted on 02/20/2012 7:45:06 AM PST by super7man
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15 posted on 02/20/2012 7:56:14 AM PST by Reeses
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16 posted on 02/20/2012 8:09:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: RitchieAprile

We the U.S. are in such deep trouble:Democrat Obama’s response :”Let’s keep sending what ever technology we have left to China to become more dependent on Communist China and borrowing trillons more to pay for China products”.

This socialist idiot Obama is owned by China as are many politicians. China has how many lobbyists in Washington?
Most countries have lobbyists in Washington shaping our legislation : No wonder every politician is for “free trade” which is destroying the U.S.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/12/us-usa-china-lobbying-newspro-idUSTRE79B5PX20111012


17 posted on 02/20/2012 8:20:50 AM PST by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

He has stirred more than any other prez


18 posted on 02/20/2012 8:21:37 AM PST by HollyB
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To: nuconvert

If someone, anyone, could sink one of those Iranian ships in port, while making it look like the rebels did it, it would be the intelligence coup of the Century.

Especially if, when it exploded, it damaged or destroyed one of the Russian ships next to it.


19 posted on 02/20/2012 8:24:54 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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The minute Clinton signed NAFTA, I said to the CEO of the company I was with back then,”George, that’s the end of America as we know it. We will no longer be a super power.”
He said, “You’re crazy!”
I said, “We’ll see.”


20 posted on 02/20/2012 9:42:35 AM PST by RavenLooneyToon
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