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Gay by Choice? (Or by Birth?)
Christian Post ^ | 02/13/2012 | Charles Colson

Posted on 02/13/2012 6:27:02 PM PST by SeekAndFind

For years we have been told that homosexuality is something people are born with - like the color of one's skin - and that it can't be changed. Gay-rights activists insist this is so, because, they say, if people don't choose to be gay, it would be wrong to discriminate against them in things like marriage, adoption, and legal benefits.

And heaven help those who disagree. Just ask actress Cynthia Nixon, who in a recent New York Times Magazine article, had the gall to admit that she chose to be gay.

Nixon, who played one of the characters on the old "Sex in the City" television series, was involved in 15-year relationship with a man that produced two children. Now, however, Nixon has moved on to a so-called "gay" relationship with a woman. In the article, Nixon is quoted about her sexual life, "For me, it is a choice. I understand that for many people it's not, but for me it's a choice, and you don't get to define my gayness for me."

Curiously, gay activists, who in almost any other instance would celebrate a "woman's choice," are really upset. "Cynthia did not put adequate thought into the ramifications of her words," said Wayne Besen, founder of Truth Wins Out, which opposes programs that seek to cure people of homosexuality. "When people say it's a choice," Besen added, "they are green-lighting an enormous amount of abuse."

No, what Nixon is green-lighting is the dangerous idea that people make choices about their sexual lifestyle. And that's a clear and present danger to the agenda of the gay-rights movement. That agenda seeks to prove that the gay lifestyle is natural and inevitable. But friends, there is absolutely no proof, and there'll probably never be any proof, that people are "born gay."

University of California, Davis, psychologist Gregory Herek, an "expert on anti-gay prejudice," admits, "The nature vs. nurture debate really is passé. The debate," he said, "is not really an either/or debate in the vast majority of cases, but how much of each. We don't know how big a role biology plays and how big a role culture plays."

Wheaton College's Stan Jones, who has written extensively on the subject, says the best research reveals that homosexual attraction is the result of a complex and mysterious interaction of biological, psychological, and environmental factors that produce different results for different people. Jones, and anyone else who has looked at the evidence in an unbiased way, says that there is no "gay gene."

Thus, the project to - in the words of one pro-gay writer, "make homophobia as inexcusable as racism" - has failed. For some people, homosexuality is a choice, and to whatever extent that is true, the fact is we all have a choice about how we will respond to our various sexual inclinations and express our sexual brokenness.

And, contrary to what we hear, the different sexual choices people make are not all equal. Only one conforms to nature and nature's God.

No, God's Word does not give us a definitive word about the cause of homosexuality, but it is crystal-clear that we need to reject homosexual behavior as sinful, to embrace sex only in the context of marriage between a man and a woman, and to treat everyone we meet - homosexual or not - with love and respect.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: gay; homosexuality
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To: Patrick1

Did you ever read this article?

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/11/09/former-rugby-player-claims-stroke-turned-him-gay/

You can’t extrapolate from a single instance, of course, but this makes it sounds like a defect of some sort.

It’s stunning how far the left has coming in defining down deviancy. If they succeed in normalizing homosexuality, I have little doubt that they’ll move on to polygamy, pedophilia (as long as it’s “consensual,” they’ll say), and bestiality.


21 posted on 02/13/2012 6:51:45 PM PST by Cato in PA (1/26/12: Bloody Thursday)
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To: SeekAndFind

Some are just trying to get attention...but others, I believe, are born gay. Even so, it is still a deviancy, and no less an abnormality than being born with an extra toe. I.e., it is proper to attempt to remedy this abnormality.


22 posted on 02/13/2012 6:52:03 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: meyer

One of my best friends had a son who from his early childhood wanted to play with the girls, with dolls, none of the usual boy stuff. As a young man he tried with various women but nothing “took”. Finally he admitted he was gay and his mother said she always knew he was different. She also has a normal son.

The gays I’ve known all said they were born that way. Since I was born straight this is something I can understand....sort of.


23 posted on 02/13/2012 6:54:55 PM PST by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: SeekAndFind
I was kind of hoping Colson would add his unique perspective to the taboo subject of male(or female) prison sex. If that isn't a perfect example of a person deciding to modify sexual behavior, then one doesn't exist.
24 posted on 02/13/2012 6:55:43 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: SeekAndFind
All you need to know about whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong, good or bad, is that if everyone in society was a homosexual, society would cease to exist. Relative to mankind, it's not possible for there to be anything more inherently wrong than homosexuality.
25 posted on 02/13/2012 6:58:38 PM PST by bramps (Cama, Cama, Cama Chameleon.)
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To: marvlus

Two things.

1. Most homosexuals were molested as children. I’m going to go out on a limb and say all of them were, whether or not they are aware of it.

2. I was born with a pre-disposition to alcoholism. That does not give me the license to go through life as a drunk. In fact, I never touch the stuff - anymore.


26 posted on 02/13/2012 6:59:28 PM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Hugin
Jones, and anyone else who has looked at the evidence in an unbiased way, says that there is no "gay gene."

What strikes me as being a really peculiar example of secular humanistic double think is the idea of the "gay gene". Juxtapose that with the central idea of naturalistic evolution, adaptation and "survival of the fittest". The idea that successful adaptations result in greater opportunities to breed, thereby spreading that successful trait to most if not all of the species after generations is directly contrary to what gayness does... which is not create any progeny whatsoever. If human homo-ism was genetic, it would have been bred completely out of us eons ago, according to naturalistic science.

27 posted on 02/13/2012 7:00:49 PM PST by L,TOWM (Once you see that it is all Kabuki Theater, you are free to quit wasting your time on politics.)
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To: Army Air Corps

I don’t think anyone just gets up one morning and says “Hey, maybe I’ll try cutting myself today. Sounds like fun!” That kind of self-destructive behavior is more obsesve/compulsive than choice, IMHO. Not that people can’t change, but it’s a battle with themselves to do it.


28 posted on 02/13/2012 7:02:10 PM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: SeekAndFind

I do quite a bit of psychological work with gays and lesbians. It’s pretty easy to demonstrate and prove that gender selection in a relationship is totally what is intellectually acceptable.

The “chemistry attraction” in relationships is caused by the attraction toward the masculine or feminine aspect of consciousness. I have only ever encountered one lesbian relationship where both were masculine and made used an intellectual check list to enter their relationship. Usually there is one dominate masculine and one dominate feminine in each relationship, gay or straight.

A feminine straight man would just look for a masculine woman if it is intellectually unacceptable to be in a gay relationship.


29 posted on 02/13/2012 7:03:04 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: marvlus

Don’t discount the alcohol and/or drug abuse that is part & parcel to lowering inhibitions as well as adult homosexuals hitting on young teens creating all kinds of sexual confusion. Step it up a notch to the brainwashing going on in colleges, public schools and the culture for the past 30 years, and VOILA! Today one of my coworkers told me about her son who is in kindergarten bringing home books for them to read together. One was about gay penguins and the other was about all the different kinds of families - the ones with two dads and two moms. Why not one dad and five moms or one dad and a very handsome horse? Just a matter of time.


30 posted on 02/13/2012 7:05:16 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: marvlus
Whatever one fantasizes about becomes real. That's why porn is so damaging.
31 posted on 02/13/2012 7:08:26 PM PST by donna (I want to live in a Judeo/Christian country where we know that, before God, men & women are equal.)
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To: KosmicKitty
Pretty much every lesbian woman I know, albeit not 100’s, was sexually abused as a child.

Bingo... I don’t know that many women who call themselves lesbians either but every single one I do (100% of the cases in fact) was sexually abused as a child. In fact, it was the same MO in each case.... Divorced or separated mom shacks up with some guy who ends up having sex with the daughter(s). Daughter grows up hating men. This turns the question of ‘choice’ or ‘born that way’ on to its ear.... in these cases, it was neither. It was a curse forced on to them by a third party. They didn’t ask for it, they didn’t want it.... but the end result was a twisted view of the sexual facet of their being.

32 posted on 02/13/2012 7:14:35 PM PST by hecticskeptic
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To: bramps
Relative to mankind, it's not possible for there to be anything more inherently wrong than homosexuality.

DING DING DING ... we have a winner!!

33 posted on 02/13/2012 7:17:28 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (Newt's not a perfect candidate but Jesus isn't running this year. - shoff)
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To: SeekAndFind
First you have to define “gay”. If it is having sex with a person of the same sex..... then it is a choice. Just as hetros CHOOSE to have sex, so do homos. Acting on it is the defining moment, but mostly it's about the aberrant sex. It's a turn on. It's a taboo that some find alluring. It's just about the sex.
34 posted on 02/13/2012 7:17:52 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Aria

One of my best friends had a son who from his early childhood wanted to play with the girls, with dolls, none of the usual boy stuff. As a young man he tried with various women but nothing “took”. Finally he admitted he was gay and his mother said she always knew he was different. She also has a normal son.

The gays I’ve known all said they were born that way.


This is my experience regarding every gay acquaintance I know well enough to know their history.

Correction, I should say gay MALE. And they weren’t all (or any) sexually abused. They just always like flower arranging and such since their youth.

And one, when married for 25 years (to a woman) led me to comment on becoming acquainted (”if he weren’t married, I’d swear he was gay.”) After his wife died, he “came out” without surprising me.

I suspect for women it’s very different, and majority are “gay” as the result of abuse, abandonment of a failed effort to attract a man, choice, or some combination.

They all make great neighbors because they keep their house and yards nice.

These are all just my own personal observations, and lead me to belief but not certainty.


35 posted on 02/13/2012 7:24:39 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: SeekAndFind
God's Word does not give us a definitive word about the cause of homosexuality,

Like any sin, it's from the pit. It's a choice. “For as he thinks in his heart, so is he.” – Proverbs 23:7

36 posted on 02/13/2012 7:26:22 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: bramps

All you need to know about whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong, good or bad, is that if everyone in society was a homosexual, society would cease to exist. Relative to mankind, it’s not possible for there to be anything more inherently wrong than homosexuality.


What if there were some competitive advantage to a genetic society that had a small percentage on non-child-rearers, who arranged the flowers, and gave the gals a shoulder to cry on? My examples are dumb, but I’m serious.

If everyone were a truck driver there’d be no goods to deliver and we’d all starve to death, but that doesn’t make truck driving inherently bad.

Gay sex is a sin. As is sex outside of marriage, and masturbation. But none of that’s going away any time soon.


37 posted on 02/13/2012 7:28:25 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Beelzebubba

Did he have a father?


38 posted on 02/13/2012 7:30:31 PM PST by donna (I want to live in a Judeo/Christian country where we know that, before God, men & women are equal.)
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To: tet68
"Gay gene hooey. I mean if there’s a gay gene, then there might be a liberal gene..."

I saw an article not long ago that claimed someone had identified a liberal gene, no joke. Any genetics engineers in the house? I know where you can find a job.

39 posted on 02/13/2012 7:30:31 PM PST by lwoodham (Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.)
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To: donna

Did he have a father?


Yep. A tough, strict, military officer.


40 posted on 02/13/2012 7:32:08 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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