The Mormon moment

Politico ^ | February 2, 2012 | MJ Lee

[C19fan]

As Mitt Romney solidifies his frontrunner status with a double-digit win this week in the Florida Republican primary, Mormons are embracing a unique moment in their political history that has been dubbed the “Mormon moment” — but not without concerns about what the increasing prominence could mean for their community.

In extensive interviews with 10 members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who live and work in the D.C.-area, POLITICO discovered a close-knit community that is enjoying, granted with some reservations, the national spotlight that Romney’s second White House bid is helping to shine on Mormons across the country.

Last month, the Pew Research Center released a 125-page report titled “Mormons in America” that surveyed over 1,000 members of the LDS Church. According to the poll, the majority of Mormons across the country, 63 percent, said they believe acceptance of their religion is on the rise.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“nobody’s keeping secrets from me, I read the texts myself, and, most importantly, I feel the peaceful influence of the Holy Ghost. No one can refute that.”

And yet you do not know your feelings of influence are not Satanic in origin. You attribute them to the Holy Ghost, but all you have is your feelings - and feelings a out your feelings.

[SENTINEL]

Hippies and even the church of satan teach to do what feels good....and all kinds of things like drugs, sex, money and power can give you a "warm fuzzy" inside.

Just like the scripture says, only a fool would say "this gives me a warm fuzzy feeling in my bosom it must be the God's eternal truth".

All things must be tested against the bible. God's truth has not passed away.

[RedWhiteBlue]

The last time the Mormon missionaries came to our door, I invited them back for dinner (those boys live on Top Ramen), and had a captive audience to witness to them for 2 hours afterwards since they schedule the whole evening and are too polite to leave.

After that they crossed the street rather than walk by my house for a couple of years.

Are you Mrs. Brown? (Warning: Adult language)

[SENTINEL]

...AND he can't even tell me which founding "prophet" was right and which founding "prophet" was wrong.

JST or KJV ?

His silence is deafening. I pray lurkers are watching this.

[Tennessee Nana]

I know that God loves me and that He approves of my faith
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What “faith” is that ???

God only approves of His kind of faith...

Lets see what God has to say about Faith...

From the Chjristian Bible that Mormons dont believe...

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.....But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. Hebrews 11:1, 6

Mormonism doesnt contain this type of faith...

in fact Mormnism denies this type of faith ...

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Of course he can’t -Mormonism isn’t about facts, it’s about feelings.

[Tennessee Nana]

I know that God loves me and that He approves of my faith
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What “faith” is that ???

God only approves of His kind of faith...

Lets see what God has to say about Faith...

From the Christian Bible that Mormons dont believe...

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.....But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. Hebrews 11:1, 6

Mormonism doesnt contain this type of faith...

in fact Mormonism denies this type of faith ...

[b9]

* who has the guts to do so?*

Manning does.

And they say Newt has baggage!

The “Mittness Protection Program” will SINK Romney like cement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNzu5ZmdQFY&feature=related

[reaganaut]

LOL! I had never even heard of that one. That was funny

[b9]

I always thought Mormons were great family/community people who loved sharing their faith and helping each other. Who was I to criticize? Hey, freedom of religion, right? At least they don’t want to kill us like evil Islam, right?

Then Morman mayor, Gayle McCandliss, happened here (Google her.) She knew she was ill when she was elected mayor, then passed away a month later.
Cost the city hundreds of thousands for a special election.
Hey, she ‘realized’ her dream, right?

Now Mitt dreams of becoming POTUS.
Santorum, et al, are helping him realize HIS dream, our nightmare, right?

“God chooses the good ones and the bad ones choose God.”
~ Jimmy Stewart in Fool’s Parade.

[MHGinTN]

God cannot lie. Cannot! If there is inconsistency in what Momronism teaches regarding Jesus and what the Bible teaches about God, then the mormonism assertion is false and not from God.

Let's take a look at what you profess to have faith IN, to see if God would approve of your faith in the MormonISM jesus. Since I will take as a given that you know from your milk teaching that the MomronISM jesus and satan were spirit brothers before humanity was started, I won't address that particualr heresy (HINT: a heresy is when man makes God less than God, like equating God in the form of Jesus as being a created being on par with a created angel who subsequently fell from Grcae).

"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]

"Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee...We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed [children] before he was crucified (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 82).

"There was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that non less a person that Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha an the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 259).

"In the Church councils, it was spoken of: "Joseph F. Smith_ He spoke upon the marriage in Cana of Galilee. He thought Jesus was the bridegroom and Mary and Martha the brides."(Journal of Wilford Woodruff, July 22, 1883).

"The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were Mormons (Jedediah Grant, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346)

. "One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that great loved Jesus, such as Mary and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them and associated with the much; and when he arose from the dead, instead of first showing himself to his chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them--namely, Mary Magdalene. Now, it would be very natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were his wives." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 159).

All of the above teachings from LDS inc about the MormonISM jesus are heretical. All of them. They are all an insult to Who God IS. Those above assertions regarding the jesus of MormonISM mean the LDS inc jesus is a different jesus than the Biblical Jesus. Why is that so important to someone like you? Well, see if you can follow along with this, borrowed from Freeper William Clark, illustrating how one can have faith in 'a' Christ but not the true Savior Christ:

"I always like to use the analogy of Jim Caviezel [In Mel Gibson's 'The Passion of The Christ']. Like the Mormon Jesus, he dressed the part, spoke the same words (in the original language, no less), and was referred to as Jesus Christ within a specific context, but it makes all the difference in the world whether one worships and depends upon him for their salvation or the genuine article."

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[T Minus Four]

I keep looking at the thousands of Mormon buildings we have around here in Utah, one in every neighborhood, and wonder...

What will happen to them when it hits the fan and the lid is ripped off this lie called Mormonism? And where will all the people go?

[dixiechick2000]

Thank you for your wonderful graphic. It points out that there is no difference between the Obamneys.

AND...it has nothing to do with Mormonism.

Sad to see that many think it does. That’s where “distraction” is a good tactic.

Too bad too many are falling for it.

[Dajjal]

Rmoney bump

[ejonesie22]

Too much truth in it huh?

Amazing how much information is out there that totally discredits the LDS. Ironic that 95% is from its own leaders and doctrine.

[Elsie]

Nobody in MORMONism should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.
—MormonDude(Why do we get accused of ripping off other people’s stuff all the time?)

[Elsie]

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.....But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. Hebrews 11:1, 6

Mormonism doesnt contain this type of faith...

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    OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy—

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

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President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.

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EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.

(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)

 

 

 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.

 

(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)

 

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What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???

 

compared to...

 

 

 

 

Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 

 

or compared to...

 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.

 

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So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!

 

Well; it DID last about 47 years!

 

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Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...

I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 

[Elsie]

It’s too bad that his ardor is not matched by his accuracy.

[Elsie]

There you go aGAIN!; you Hateful BIGOT!

You KNOW, full well, that your documented FACTS do NOT make a hill of beans to a MORMON believer who has experienced an EMOTIONAL response to a question that should not have been asked.

--MormonDude(I'm saddened that Elizabeth Smart is getting married. I had a revelation that I....)

[Elsie]

What will happen to them when it hits the fan and the lid is ripped off this lie called Mormonism? And where will all the people go?

They will, no doubt, be re-purposed...

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Joshua 24:13 (niv)
So I gave you a land on which you did not toil and cities you did not build; and you live in them and eat from vineyards and olive groves that you did not plant.