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Romney's tithing raises issue in other churches
Sacramento Bee ^ | January 26, 2012 | Jennifer Garza

Posted on 01/26/2012 9:34:45 PM PST by WilliamIII

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To: Elsie

At least for a few weeks we may be rid of the puppy leashed Delphi User repeaters. It might even be a genuine n00b, but it is already displaying the behavior taught to the faithful ... lying for the faith. Mlt Rominy comes by his sleazy lying ways from the way he’s been trained to deal with non-mormons. He’s just gotten really adept at it, making his lies sound authoritative, beyond exploring.


161 posted on 01/28/2012 7:26:39 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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Sort of like a ‘thus sayeth the Willard’, like he’s prepping his mind to godhood.


162 posted on 01/28/2012 7:28:01 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
It might even be a genuine n00b, but it is already displaying the behavior taught to the faithful ... lying for the faith.


 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


163 posted on 01/28/2012 7:43:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Corrector

Oh, corrector, let me help before you do any further damage...

* The Mormon Church uses a variety of charities, as well as their own efforts, to provide humanitarian aid, not to mention the work of service missionaries sent specifically to help around the world.

... Mormonism is unaccountable to it’s members. You do NOT KNOW what happens to the money or what percent of the money because you DO NOT receive a full report. That’s sad.

* The church does not “demand” tithing. When I lost my job, I continued to pay tithing while I was receiving temporary support from the church. That’s how it works. It’s a principal of faith, as I explained before. How can I expect the blessings of a principal if I don’t live it? The fact that I had applied faith and was being supported locally by neighbors who cared about me was an important factor in my ability to find work again.

... The church DEMANDS tithing only if you want to get into the presence of god after death. Only if you want to have mormon respect. Only if you want to be with your family for eternity. Only if you want to be sealed to your wife. Yea, it coerces it.

* The original reference to tithing predates the Law of Israel. Check out Abraham paying tithes to Melchizedek.

... Are you referring to the same Bible that mormons say is filled with errors? How can you be sure this is true?

* I’m not sure how the mall in SLC reduces my argument. Also, they have a vested interest in improving the area surrounding the SL temple.

... If you can’t see this, I probably can’t open your eys.


164 posted on 01/28/2012 8:52:44 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Proud RINOmney Denialist since 2007!)
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To: Elsie

It’s more mouthy than PD - much closer to SD

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But there is no ‘testimony’ attached. What about Delphi or Sevenbak?


165 posted on 01/28/2012 8:57:49 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: WilliamIII

That’s between you and your conscience :-)


166 posted on 01/28/2012 9:12:11 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: HiTech RedNeck; P-Marlowe

In Mormonism, Jesus, Lucifer and the rest of us all are equal.

Both Jesus and Lucifer wanted to be “Savior” but God chose Jesus because he would give us ‘free agency’. Lucifer got mad and thus didn’t get a body so he can’t earn his Godhood like Jesus did. To Mormons, Jesus is proof we can be Morally perfect in this life and earn Godhood like He did. Not biblical at all.

I can source all of this if you would like.


167 posted on 01/28/2012 9:33:18 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: reaganaut

Not wordy enough.


168 posted on 01/28/2012 1:36:59 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie; reaganaut1

And not angry enough to be Spammy.

BTW, Greg, if you are reading this you got my handle wrong on the ‘anti-Mormon’ list. You have reaganaut1. He is never on these threads. Please correct it.


169 posted on 01/28/2012 2:11:33 PM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: mombonn
"I have tithed for probably 35 years. Can’t afford not to."

Your amazing.

170 posted on 01/29/2012 9:01:54 PM PST by AGreatPer (Obama has NEVER given a speech where he did not lie!!!)
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To: colorcountry

Nothing to apologize for, really. We don’t always post enough info to make it clear where we stand, and sometimes miscommunication takes place and we need to clarify. This is really just a conversation, and a good one. :-)


171 posted on 01/30/2012 5:13:14 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Corrector
There is no indication in the New Testament that tithing was abolished

oh?


Acts 15

The Council at Jerusalem
 1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

 5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

 16 “‘After this I will return
   and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
   and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
   even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]
 18 things known from long ago.[c]

 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
 22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

   The apostles and elders, your brothers,

   To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

   Greetings.

 24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

   Farewell.

 30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

Disagreement Between Paul and Barnabas
 36 Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” 37 Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, 38 but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. 39 They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, 40 but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. 41 He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.
172 posted on 02/22/2012 6:01:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cuban leaf; colorcountry; Godzilla; SZonian; Colofornian; caww; aMorePerfectUnion

"Rombo!"

173 posted on 02/22/2012 1:01:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Myrddin
As in that famous movie about the 10 Suggestions? It says "commandments" in my copy. Check Malachi 3:8-10.

Last time I checked, tithing isn't part of the "10 Commandments." Do you eat shellfish? Cheeseburgers? Or did Christ die to free you of legalism?

174 posted on 02/22/2012 1:34:09 PM PST by colorcountry (In order to practice tolerance, I must first disagree. But when I do, I'm accused of being intoleran)
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To: colorcountry
You're cherry picking. There's a reasonable discussion of the New Testament and Tithing here. In John 14:15 Jesus says, "If you love me you will keep my commandments". His death didn't free me from "legalism". It opened the door to eternal life. I'm still responsible to follow the 10 commandments. His forgiveness means I'm not eternally damned if my best efforts to keep the commands is imperfect. It's not a "get out of jail card" and license to do as you please.
175 posted on 02/22/2012 4:45:49 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
You ignore Acts 15, which I posted above.

Why?

176 posted on 02/22/2012 5:15:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Myrddin
In John 14:15 Jesus says, "If you love me you will keep my commandments".

John 6:28-29 (niv)

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

 


1 John 3:21-24

  Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.  And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.  The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.


177 posted on 02/22/2012 5:16:14 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
I didn't ignore it. I have so many replies on other topics that it got buried. I simply didn't read it. Besides, I'm not obligated to reply to every post in my direction.
178 posted on 02/22/2012 5:40:29 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: CommerceComet
If a person pays on the net, then it seems to follow that a person should pay a tithe on the tax refund.

I always did. It's "increase" if it's mine to spend.

179 posted on 02/22/2012 5:45:05 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
Tithing isn't part of the Ten commandments. It also isn't part of Jesus’ New Testament.

Mormonism is legalism, pure and simple. Keeping commandments, oaths and covenants in order to earn your way to eternal glory. What is Christ to Mormons except someone who was raised so that humans would not suffer eternal death - yet Jesus didn't pay the ultimate price and He didn't free you - no, he only made it possible for you to continue your self-aggrandizement of working toward eternal glory and godhood - - it makes me physically ill.

180 posted on 02/22/2012 6:13:50 PM PST by colorcountry (In order to practice tolerance, I must first disagree. But when I do, I'm accused of being intoleran)
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