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[RaceBannon]

Article II SUPERPAC streaming live video and audio at this link

[Triple]

“Where has SCOTUS ever issued a ruling on the definition of Natural-born citizenship? That’s right! It doesn’t exist.” -SM

Minor V Heppersett

It was presented before the court that way this morning without opposition! Were you not paying attention?

(FOGBOW)

[SvenMagnussen]

Some people are concerned a printout of a webpage of Obama’s COLB and Long form BC are entered into the Court record, yet a printout of webpage of Obama’s Indonesian school record is denied.

I guess Haskins has a better printer than Orly. Too bad! Establishing for the record that Obama was an Indonesian National as a 7 year old might have trumped a suspicious birth record from Hawai’i.

[RummyChick]

The lower court of Wong Kim Ark addresses this issue.

So does SCOTUS in Wong Kim Ark- affirmed without exception.

For those that can’t quite understand how Wong spells it out perhaps Justice Fuller’s comments will do it for you:

“The argument is, that, although the Constitution prior to that amendment nowhere attempted to define the words “citizens of the United States” and “natural-born citizen” as used therein, yet that it must be interpreted in the light of the English common law rule which made the place of birth the criterion of nationality; that that rule

was in force in all [p706] the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established;

and

that, before the enactment of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the adoption of the Constitutional Amendment, all white persons, at least, born within the sovereignty of the United States, whether children of citizens or of foreigners, excepting only children of ambassadors or public ministers of a foreign Government, were native-born citizens of the United States.

Thus, the Fourteenth Amendment is held to be merely declaratory except that it brings all persons, irrespective of color, within the scope of the alleged rule, and puts that rule beyond he control of the legislative power.”

Now if you are confused about his use of the word “native-born” then read this:

“Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the Constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that “natural-born citizen” applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances, and that the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, were eligible to the Presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not.”

SCOTUS ruling meant that Ark could run for President.

As for the current day cases:

Indiana Court of Appeals in the Ankey case addresses Wong Kim Ark.

[Seizethecarp]

Fogbow is a site where several Obot lawyers with high opinions of themselves profess to “debunk” constitutionalists whom they refer to as “birthers” (or a lot worse).

They read “birther” threads on FR and many on FR read them for opposition research purposes.

Below is their thread for the GA hearings. They are putting up a brave face about how they expect the GA SOS being sued and losing on appeal with, they claim, certainty. It is an alternate universe!

http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=6845&start=4725

[SteveH]

Someone at another website (Dean Haskins?) mentioned that if the Obama NBC standard holds, that Winston Churchill with his American mother would have been deemed eligible to run for the US presidency. (IMHO that does not make it right though.)

[IMR 4350]

The left came up with the idea of orchestrating a race war as a path to absolute power over 40 years ago.

I really don't care if you are offended by facts. That's your problem not mine.

Just because you do not like the facts doesn't mean I'm a racist, but it does mean you are ignorant.

[butterdezillion]

It wasn’t Haskins though. Was it Irion and Hatfield?

What exactly did they stipulate about what was printed off? I just can’t see any judge accepting that as proof of the facts of birth, since the rules of evidence don’t allow a computer image of a vital record to be considered as prima facie evidence. Did the lawyers use an “even if” argument? Like null and void said, they qualified it as being true for the purposes of that particular argument even if it’s not factually true?

We really need a transcript of what was said when that was admitted as evidence.

[rolling_stone]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_notice

judicial notice IMO would not apply as the subject the BC is disputed hotly throughout the USA. Even if someone tried then it could be attacked. There is also best evidence rule which would allow for a certified copy then the original microfiche to be entered carrying more weight than a copy off the internet.

Res judicata with one exception I know of (patent infringement) allows different parties to litigate same facts against different defendants. I believe the same would happen for FFC clause in different states because of different eligibilty statutes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Res_judicata

The question becomes if he is ruled ineligible in Georgia in (judgement form) will full faith and credit cause that decision to apply in all other 56 states? IMO no, but it sure would be fun seeing the clause jammed back in the obots face which they have been screaming aobut.

The point here is the certified copies were not submitted by Obama or his lawyer, why not? Does nobody want to touch that hot potato? Surely the Obama’s team could have subpoened or even just requested that Fuddy bring the original to court and testify to its authenticity? Why did neither happen?

[presently no screen name]

and research to gain a correct understanding of the Father requirement for a natural born citizen,

Ah come on! I learned that in fifth grade as did my siblings! It is NOT a mystery and VERY understandable. The fact of hiding record$$$, etc. shows they all understand it!!

[TXnMA]

Aha! Missed your "Native vs Natural" distinction.

Hey -- if she's as good as Sarah, I might even support your granddaughter's candidacy! '-)

[DiogenesLamp]

Obama obviously did not and cannot prove he is eligible for office, but he did prove he’s a wimp and won’t try to defend himself. It’s time to forge ahead and challenge the ballots in the other states.

This is what I am thinking. It may be too late to challenge his eligibility for the Democrat Primaries, but surely it is not too late to challenge his eligibility for the General election?

If they are SO SCARED that they won't even send a certified copy to keep him on the ballot, it certainly looks like he is a cat in a yard full of dogs. If he would just sniff butt and growl like a dog, no one would pay it any notice, but when he arches his back and hisses, even the dullest dogs start to figure out he ain't what he's seems.

[Mr. K]

and you are still being an ass so we’re even

[rolling_stone]

Ridiculous.

[Danae]

She was rushed through from start to finish.

[null and void]

Not “you are either stupid, uniformed, or a weasel and here is why... “

LJ, here is what I actually said:

To: Mr. K

Some of these things (like an eyeball) only work as a whole- they only work if all the pieces work. How do you ‘evolve’ something that needs to be whole in order to work? You would have to spontaneously generate a complete eye.

Horse poop.

The steps are well documented.

Each incremental step provides a survival advantage.

Only someone willfully ignorant would deliberately lie about this.

Or perhaps just someone who thinks their god needs to be protected from the truth?

I guess some gods just can't handle the truth...

31 posted on 12/27/2011 8:39:15 AM PST by null and void (Day 1070 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])

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This is why the unanswered question as to his scientific specialty is germane.

Make of it what you will...

[null and void]

Some of these things (like an eyeball) only work as a whole- they only work if all the pieces work. How do you ‘evolve’ something that needs to be whole in order to work? You would have to spontaneously generate a complete eye.

Horse poop.

The steps are well documented.

Each incremental step provides a survival advantage.

Only someone willfully ignorant would deliberately lie about this.

Or perhaps just someone who thinks their god needs to be protected from the truth?

I guess some gods just can't handle the truth...

[butterdezillion]

But none of Obama’s high-powered lawyers even showed up when there was an honest judge. As long as there is the possibility that their fraud could be found out, they’ll have to choose between Obama’s neck or their own. And that significantly evens up our chances. =)

[little jeremiah]

This is a state function and some states have different rules, or statutes to deal with the process. In GA they have the ALJ that recommend to the SoS, in NH that have a rigged ballot commission that makes recommendations to the SoS. But that is far as it goes. That is why Soros has been attempting to get his people at the SoS level in many states.

Very Important Fact.

[rolling_stone]

Ridiculous. Quit thinking with knee jerk emotions like a liberal and use your brain and common sense.

[SvenMagnussen]

Can’t get on Post and Email for a recap, but found this quote from Sharon Rhondou at Fogbow:

“Taitz utilized a projector on the wall to the right of the judge as an aid in her presentation. She then stated that evidence existed that Obama possessed Indonesian citizenship, to which the judge was heard by this writer to say, “That’s not relevant.” Taitz then discussed the court’s decision in Minor v. Happersett and was interrupted by the judge, who said, “Counselor, can you save your argument for the closing?” She then stopped speaking.”

[RummyChick]

Ginsburg has given an indication she would go against Wong Kim Ark as it pertains to a person born in another country of two citizen parents .

It applies to her grandson and she always considered that he could run for President.