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To: Pharmboy

“It’s illegal to carry the weapon in this state. “ - I’m fairly certain this is a false statement that the media just wishes were true. I believe that if you grease the correct palms or bust your ass to jump through all the hoops that NY does indeed issue concealed carry permits - any NYers want to confirm?


6 posted on 01/20/2012 11:51:59 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: reed13k

Having lived upstate NY for 8 years and in NYC for 27 (and had a legal carry permit in NYC for 19 years) I can speak to this. NY State—other than NYC—is not really bad as far as guns go. The judges issue pistol permits to non-NYC resisents all the time. It’s NYC that’s bad, ad even when you cannot carry in NYC ( I am a physician so I could get one) a premises permit for a handgun is not hard to get. Long guns are no problem anywhere.


11 posted on 01/20/2012 12:00:05 PM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...but I got better.)
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To: reed13k

They do but only the politically connected gan get one. The slaves cannot.


15 posted on 01/20/2012 12:04:30 PM PST by sport
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To: reed13k

As a licensed FFL holder I can confirm.

I’ve seen NYC CCW’s, held by folk working in some level of NYC Gov, or closely related to such.

For example, one guy said it was no problem for him, his brother is an NYC judge.
Similar to some counties in Kalifornia.

I’ve been told that mobsters have no real problem getting permits either.
They have plenty of money and lawyers to deal with the process.

It’s not what the law says that counts, it’s who you know, or can pay off!


19 posted on 01/20/2012 12:08:00 PM PST by Loyal Sedition
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To: reed13k

this may be a good chance to fight for “shall not be infringed” in court.

if i were tennessee, i’d take a stand all the way to the SCOTUS.

teeman


39 posted on 01/20/2012 1:20:40 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: reed13k
“It’s illegal to carry the weapon in this state. “ - I’m fairly certain this is a false statement that the media just wishes were true. I believe that if you grease the correct palms or bust your ass to jump through all the hoops that NY does indeed issue concealed carry permits...


New York Concealed Carry Permit Information

Concealed Permit:
May Issue to Residents Only*
The determination whether to grant the license is completely within the discretion of the
licensing officer. However, the licensing officer must state specifically and concisely in
writing the reasons for a denial. A denial can only be overturned in court if the denial is
shown to be arbitrary and capricious.

Issuing Authority:
Licensing Officer of the City or County where the applicant resides, is principally employed,
or where his principal place of business as a merchant or storekeeper is located.

NICS check: Yes

Cost:
A license fee is fixed by the board of supervisors in each county, with a $10.00
limit prescribed by state law. The Division of Criminal Justice Services sets the
fingerprinting fee. The fee for each amendment to the license is $3.00 ($5.00 in Suffolk
County). In New York City and Nassau County, the City Council and Board of Supervisors, respectively, set the license fees without regard to the state law limitation.

Featured New York Firearm Instructors:
Requirements:
Westchester County may require the applicant to successfully complete a firearms safety course
and test in addition to meeting the other requirements. Other counties also require a safety
course for license issuance.

A license may be granted to an applicant who is of good moral character, who is over 21 years of age, who has not been convicted of a serious offense, who states if and when he has ever been treated for mental illness, who is not subject to a protective court order and to whom no
good cause exists for the denial of the license. The age requirement shall not apply to persons
honorably discharged from the military. (Persons between age 18 and 21 may possess a handgun at
an indoor or outdoor pistol range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly
incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small
arms. A person between the ages of 18 and 21 may also possess a handgun at a target pistol
shooting competition under the auspices of or approved by the NRA and while under immediate
supervision).

Applications for licenses must be acted upon within 6 months after presentment. If there is a
delay, there must be written notice to the applicant stating the reasons.

If issued, a license is valid until revoked, except in New York City where a license shall
expire not more than 3 years after the date of issuance, and in Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester
Counties where a license shall expire not more than 5 years after the date of issuance.

An applicant for a license to carry outside the home must be required to show, in addition to
the requirement for possession, that proper cause exists for the issuance of a carry license,
including, for example, target shooting, hunting, or self-defense.

Informing Law Enforcement of Carry:
Automobile carry:
A loaded handgun may be carried in a vehicle by a properly licensed individual. (Loaded means a
firearm with ammunition loaded in magazine or chamber or any firearm which is possessed by one
who at the same time possesses a quantity of ammunition which may be used to discharge such
a
firearm.) Possession of any loaded rifle or shotgun in a vehicle is illegal.

It is unlawful for any person to carry, possess or transport a handgun in or through the state
unless he has a valid New York license.
More details on this click here.

Places off-limits when carrying:
It is a crime to possess any rifle, shotgun or handgun in or upon a building or grounds, used
for educational purposes, of any school, college or university. It is lawful, however, to
possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun in or upon the forestry lands, wherever located, owned and
maintained by the State University of New York College of environmental science and forestry,
without the written authorization of such educational institution.

Deadly Force / Castle Doctrine:
New York is a Castle Doctrine state but has no stand-your-ground law.


Not a New Yorker but this information is openly available on the web. It appears that indeed New York State as well as City does issue CCW permits, but clearly not "shall issue" since you must "demonstrate a need" a need, also NYC and several counties have opted out of the $10 fee limit which makes CCW there seem to be discretionary. I may be wrong on that but * the law as described does not provide for reciprocity which makes CC by tourists clearly a violation of NY law. Second Amendment applies to Federal Laws ("Congress shall...") and leaves states to deal individually with the question. Which opens the question is NY alone in denying reciprocity? Clearly the only safe answer is to research the laws of any states you plan om visiting BEFORE leaving on your trip.

Regards,
GtG

PS I am not a lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once...

59 posted on 01/20/2012 3:46:29 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: reed13k

Yes, in NY state it takes over five years and a lot of money and paperwork to get a pistol permit. If you are lucky, you will also be granted the privilege of carrying concealed but it is not an automatic right.

However, it is not illegal to carry. It is just difficult to get the permit.


71 posted on 01/20/2012 8:04:37 PM PST by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
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