Greek culture was different from ours, and the details of “gaydom” differ too. Even gay Greeks frowned on buggery, incidentally. Homosexuality there was more a kind of mutual j’ing off, details of which are not fit for a family friendly website.
To be honest with you I wouldn't mind seeing things rolled back a touch. BTW, the title is off a bit. Are you missing some words in there?
It would involve a time machine.
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Too late. Haven’t you noticed that American males even hug more than women now days?
In Romans 1:18 and following there is a point made, which is: that there is a judicial act of divine judgment and wrath at work.
1) The text speaks in the plural which is important, it is not speaking about individuals but societies, nations and cultures. "They, them ... gave them up."
2) That judgment of God's wrath has a progressive character. They do not want God, they hold the truth of the existance of God and his moral will in unrighteousness. (Rom. 1:18)
3)He gives them over to their own depravity in blindness to worship idols,(Rom. 1:21 - and they do not repent) to destroy marriage (Rom. 1:24 and they do not repent) to what is contrary to nature, homosexuality female and male ( Rom 1:26, 27)
The text in various forms uses the expression "for this cause God gave them up.... The idea is an operation of divine wrath in judgment that:
1) exposes the folly of sin
2) leaves not just the individual but the people and nation, without excuse in the final out pouring of that judgment in the day of judgment.
Can you change the direction the world is heading in this area?
1) Working with individuals, some what, in the way of grace and repentance
2) with the nation or society as a whole, I would suggest the end is found in Genesis 19
No one likes my opinions on this around here, but I believe the problem starts very early. There seem to be far more masculinized female toddlers and feminized male toddlers these days. What to do? I think it is the plastics or other pollutants in our environment that is in the uterus wreaking havoc upon the hormonal and sexual development of fetuses.
I don’t know just what to do about it, but I do believe, from all the time I spend with children, that there are more sexual orientation birth defects than ever. There are other reproductive and sexual plumbing problems becoming epidemic lately too.
These kids are sweet innocents that happen to like the toys and dress and behavior of the opposite sex. They can’t help it; it’s not the parents’ fault. But I don’t get any support for thinking thus in these parts.
We must offer something holy and good to these innocents. Right now, as these kids get to puberty, they are welcomed by the gay agenda people and shunned by conservatives and religions. Kids with Down Syndrome are not rejected like this. But conservatives seem to be “haters” if it’s a defect in sexual orientation rather than intellect. If you’ve met one of these kids, you will see that it seems to be the way they are indeed “born” — this is Probably The only thing I agree on with Lady Gaga.
Their latest attack is to make it seem like marriage is meaningless, simply a contractual arrangement with certain benefits and ultimately, no responsibilities. Getting in one side of the door was relatively easy, but the other side, the lack of responsibility, is proving to be more difficult than they anticipated. There are now advocates pushing for a separate (but equal) divorce proceedings for homosexual couples, ‘celebrating their unique situation.’ AKA, don't stick me with child support and alimony.
They're running headlong into a very entrenched feminist region which doesn't want to see that affected, and certainly not the separate but equal resolution system, especially since it would be an easy legal jump for more traditional marriages to be equally considered meaningless.
Much more daunting is the whole two mommies situation. So much of the system has been geared towards turning men into wage slaves who must pile off their earnings into monthly checks to support the former wife and kids. Homosexuals don't exactly appreciate this system, and more over, when you've got two people who consider themselves wives, the automatic granting of custody is stymied.
A targeted fight against the dismantling of the family has to start at the most egregious infringements of the family, that of Child Protective Services and the equivalent. Laws must be rolled back to at the very least require actual proof that there's reason for the state to become involved, and if that threshold is met, priority must be given to extended family becoming primary caregivers.
Grandparents rights groups are an obvious ally in this, and must be cultivated to pool resources to enshrine the common sense that someone the child knows is far better than any random boarding house. While I know there's plenty of fine people in foster care, the cold hard reality is that there's also plenty who simply run their so called homes as boarding agencies collecting state checks, and care little for the children in their care.
By promoting ‘family first’, it also cuts down the number of adoption opportunities that gays can exploit in the system. Not to mention the number of vulnerable children in the foster care system.
An additional element to use to battle this invasion of the family would be senior citizen groups - enlist their aide in granting more leverage in keeping seniors with their nuclear families, rather than shipping them off to retirement homes and separating them from the generations. Dismantling a lot of the receivership laws that are being leveraged against seniors and forcing them away from all that they gained through hard work is another strong goal.
Finally, tort reform must be addressed; limits must be put on the courts as to the size of rewards in all claims, including divorces. The courts were never designed or envisioned to become tools to make people paupers, or to force people into debtor prisons, and this really needs to be addressed, and much of the autonomy in these types of proceedings removed from the judge and jury's hands. I personally believe that people will be more apt to work together to come to an agreement if there's no longer the giant axe swinging above their heads that can take away everything, as that kicks in the primal urges to survive, and by that, I mean fighting to the bitter end to hold onto as much as possible, lest it all be taken away.
What just 25 years ago were the ‘Reagan conservatives’ is now totally split. Are you a ‘fiscal conservative?’ Oh, I was looking for a ‘social conservative.’ Before, there was no differentiation.That's because Reagan was able to appeal to social conservatives on issues like abortion and stopping the pro-left meddling of the federal government in cultural issues. He himself was a cultural libertarian and therefore did not allow the government to promote a cultural conservative agenda. Therefore, he did not alienate cultural libertarians.
Reagan helped create this split by converting many voters (especially under 30 at the time) to fiscal conservatism without the cultural collectivist baggage that is always an drag on the GOP at general election time.
As for homosexuality, he had little to say about it because he himself was tolerant. Patty Davis has recalled how he once told her about Rock Hudson's preferences in a very matter of fact and non-judgemental way.
There is no “homosexual morality”. That phrase is merely an attempt to make us think of morality as relative and subjective.
Thomas Jefferson tried to be human-when he proposed a Bill for proportioning crimes and punishments in VA.Most Americans don’t even remember he did that—but nearly everyone knows he
suggested a “wall of separation between church and State”. And given this apostate nations habit of attacking anyone who dares question the “new Civil right” (Sodomy) Look at how they did Dr.Laura Schlessinger ,Dr.Lorraine Day , The Honorable Roy S.Moore,And everyone else who tried escape the crabbucket.That nation only is blessed whose God is the Lord.
If we have been turned from the Lord our only HOPE is to Repent —the reprobates will fall by the wayside.
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Political Correctness (PC) is an incurable cancer that infects all politicians, regardless as to political affiliation, religion or personal beliefs.
I’m sorry to say that the patent will allow any and all bills, regulations, quelling of free speech and thought along with personal freedoms to be crushed that have any chance of restoration of our free rights to think and act as we please. Worse yet, on how to train and raise our children.
If you have followed the demise of our freedoms and morals since the late 60’s the path is clear to see how it has ruined our society.
Don’t ever think that a politician does not continuously look over their shoulder for the PC police to get them.
Here’s my opinion:
I do not believe homosexuals are born. IMO...I believe we are born with a wiped program and what we observe every waking moment records onto the hard drive.
I believe it falls to the family. Too many men deserted families and boys were raised by mothers...some boys spent too much time around the women and not enough around men learning to be a man. I’ve often heard that most male homosexuals were abused early in life.
As for the lesbians, the same holds true for them. Notice the manly behavior of some lesbians and family and you’ll find that they hung around guys most of their lives. They were jealous or envious or whatever and wanted to be like the guys. Plus, I’ve never known a lesbian who claimed she was born that way. Mostly they too were abused by men or raised to hate men.
IMO...MEN are important in the family. Girls grow up looking to their fathers to learn what a father and husband is suppose to be. Boys grow up looking to their fathers to learn what a father and husband is suppose to be.
Think about that for a moment when we consider homosexuals raising kids.
The government has forced us to accept their lifestyle because we are a country that cannot discriminate. As a Christian nation we are also taught to love the person but hate the sin.
And finally, based on the above facts, I don’t think there is anything we can do about it. We are outnumbered. Prayer is my answer.
There is no public standard for morality (or even for behavior) anymore...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF9FM6KqCu4&feature=related
“Tell me what you think- trying to be humane here, that way I think can make the most progress in stopping the onslaught and drawing the line- that things progress no further and stop where they ought.”
OK, I’ll try.
That “line” might have been “drawn” several years’ back, by Republicans/conservatives pushing for a “Marriage Amendment” in the Congress, right after Vermont passed its “civil unions” law.
THEN was the time to “do something”, because there was enough “national indignation” against the growing “gay putsch” that it might have been stopped in its track — back then.
Even some democrats in Congress would have voted for such an amendment, due to pressure from “the folks back home”. Once out of Congress, there was certainly enough momentum in the required number of state legislatures, for it to become the law of the land.
But back then, Republicans refused to act, because a Marriage Amendment to the Constitution would have been an extreme and final act — we were told that “it wasn’t necessary”. We were being lied to, and we swallowed that pill.
But the “gay left” knows that its goals are best won incrementally, and since Vermont, they’ve been working to that end, slowly, patiently, with their eyes on the prize. And sooner or later, they’re going to win that “prize”, which will be a decision by the U.S. Supreme Court that overturns the Defense of Marriage Act and legalizes gay marriage throughout the nation — a gay “Roe v. Wade”, if you will.
No, they won’t get it from the _current_ makeup of the Court, but the justices who are sitting now ain’t going to last forever. Sooner or later, a more liberal Court will be seated, and then the gay left will strike when the iron is hot — because we as conservatives failed to grasp the notion that it was up to _us_ to “strike” back then, years ago, while OUR “iron” was hot.
Wish I could be more optimistic, but I’m a realist and that’s how I see things....
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Interesting discussion on the thread as well. For one thing, just "holding the line" is absolutely wrong and not near enough. Our culture is already deep in the sewer. "Not getting any worse" is already in the "deep doo doo" territory. How to get back to normalcy is the question. I have no answer other than my tagline.
The primary source of influence are the homosexual writers in hollywood who promote this deviance to the public. Oddly, same-sex rape of young boys is rampant in homowood.
CNN: Corey Feldman: Biggest problem in Hollywood is pedophilia
According to former child star Corey Feldman, child molestation is rampant in the entertainment industry, as he told Nightline in an interview.
“The No. 1 problem in Hollywood was and is and always will be pedophilia,” he said Wednesday. According to Feldman, the “casting couch” exists for children, too.
Feldman asserts that directors and other adults in the industry take advantage of young aspiring actors on a regular basis. “It’s all done under the radar... But it’s the big secret,” the 40-year-old said.
Feldman also claimed that former co-star Corey Haim’s death last year was the end result of sexual abuse by an unnamed “Hollywood mogul.” Feldman said that his friend’s substance addiction was “a symptom” of the molestation he experienced.
The actor previously revealed to GQ that he was raped by his assistant as a child. “It’s something that will be addressed in my inner soul for the rest of my life, and it’s something that truly affects me,” he told the magazine.
Is this a surprise to anyone? Merely homomsexuals seeking the object of their loving obsession. They now seek to enter and preach to kids from 1st grade up about the magnificent qualities of a progressive lifestyle.