Posted on 01/02/2012 7:12:49 PM PST by Hojczyk
Well, if you support communists, they will thrive. If we did with the USSR what we do with Red China, the USSR would also be around today.
I really don’t think china will fall to pieces this decade either.
China is not communist in terms of economy structure. And as economy is a basics of politics and society under Marxism they are CINOS (Commies In Name Only).
A modern totalitarian state collapses either when its rulers no longer automatically kill even the hint of opposition, or when its economy collapses. China still kills dissidents, and the US is still filling their coffers. No chance the Chicoms are out of power anytime soon.
China is very likely to fall but it won’t be pleasant for everyone.
Yeah, I’d pretty much call China fascist these days.
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A modern totalitarian state collapses either when its rulers no longer automatically kill even the hint of opposition, or when its economy collapses. China still kills dissidents, and the US is still filling their coffers. No chance the Chicoms are out of power anytime soon.
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You have to watch Chinese social structure carefully before any assumptions.
They have a huge 300 million middle class and twice as large underclasses living for a dollar a day strruggling into a middle class.
A social evevator works nice for determined enought but it is powered with growth.
No growth = big trouble for Chicom gubmint and there is a single way to toss a hundred million unwanted surplus young males.
A communist closed economy can withstand much worse conditions than an open free capitalist economy.
China has mastered the hybrid communist state. The people are still not free and essentially slaves to a regime without any input. But you have semi free markets and they allow for foreign investments, technology, business practices and management techniques to come in. Trade and the forces of a free market shape these new economies but the old power brokers simply put themselves on top as CEO of some major state run energy conglomerate such as the Russian Gazprom. The real power brokers remain the same old people as before, they simply become the Kingpins in these new pseudo free economies which you also have in Vietnam, Russia etc. These economies are largely doing fine because unlike the past where they were isolated, ignored supply and demand curves, were to slow to react because everything was planned centralized... they today are often MORE capitalist that the US / Germany or other mixed economies of the West when it comes to dealing with dead firms that aren't making money, or changes in technology or demand based on consumer taste etc. I would bet money that I could take an idea and go to production in China with this idea in less time, with less costs, with less restrictions than in the US.
The figurative collapse will be preceded by the literal collapse of the Three Gorges dam.
I think it’s only a matter of time before China comes apart under the communists. Time, innovation and the desire for profit is relentless. You can always count on change and with today’s technologies, change happens faster.
I don’t think the younger Chinese are going to be as obedient as their ancestors. I wonder how much North Korea’s existence is dependent on the Chinese. A China undid would create a lot of interesting scenarios.like the breakup of the USSR. China could very well come apart in a similar way.
Pei-Ping.
The Wall St Journal had a great editorial about 10 years ago which asked, “If Hitler hadn’t fought WWII, and if the Third Reich had lasted 60 years or so, what would Nazi Germany look like today?” The WSJ answer: 21st century China.
I'd bet money that your idea would be taken, put into production without your knowledge, and that they would beat you to market with it, if that idea had any potential at all.
If you're going to tout less restrictions as a benefit, you also need to admit the problems. Respect for intellectual property rights is not a hallmark of that nation.
I've known several companies that have experienced this.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2011/0614/1224298864155.html
Last year China experienced 280,000 of what the government calls “mass incidents”, including petitions, demonstrations and strikes, both peaceful and violent, and invariably linked to anger over corruption, abuses and the illegal seizure of land.
This marks a steep rise from 87,000 incidents in 2005.
But the other question is: Can the Nation of China quickly put ideas into effect, quickly build factories, and quickly bring new products to the marketplace? Can the Chinese GNP quickly benefit from somebody's brilliant idea? You bet!!
In the US? Quick factories? Quick to market? Benefits to our GNP? Uhhhhhhhh ... I don't think so. We crush domestic economic initiative. The Chinese do not crush such initiative -- they merely rip it off.
I think the premise of the book is misplaced.
I do think that China has a rough future but it’s because of the struggle btwn Communism and the people’s ever increasing embrace of free enterprise; the political philosophy is separate from the country itself. Communism in China is dying.
I think this book would be better if its premise were that too many countries allow the birth and growth of a Communistic society. I think that’s what is happening in China and the Commies are on the downside of that growth curve. In the U.S., unfortunately, the Commies may still be on the growth side of the curve with what’s his name at the helm. That equates to a very ugly next 20+ years for the U.S. unless the people are in fact fed up and toss all the Commies out in the upcoming election. We must do all we can to help that happen!
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China has mastered the hybrid communist state. The people are still not free and essentially slaves to a regime without any input. But you have semi free markets and they allow for foreign investments, technology, business practices and management techniques to come in. Trade and the forces of a free market shape these new economies but the old power brokers simply put themselves on top as CEO of some major state run energy conglomerate such as the Russian Gazprom. The real power brokers remain the same old people as before, they simply become the Kingpins in these new pseudo free economies which you also have in Vietnam, Russia etc. These economies are largely doing fine because unlike the past where they were isolated, ignored supply and demand curves, were to slow to react because everything was planned centralized... they today are often MORE capitalist that the US / Germany or other mixed economies of the West when it comes to dealing with dead firms that aren’t making money, or changes in technology or demand based on consumer taste etc. I would bet money that I could take an idea and go to production in China with this idea in less time, with less costs, with less restrictions than in the US.
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Do you realize a thing you described has nothing in common with communism?
It is called Fascism and Nazy Germany&Imperial Japan are historical examples of this system.
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