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Is it rational to believe in God?
Jakarta Post/Yahoo Philippines ^ | Giovanni Serritella

Posted on 12/22/2011 4:54:48 PM PST by WilliamIII

The world's most famous physicist Prof. Stephen Hawking has declared that God does not exist.

Hawking joins the opinion of several other world-class scientists like Richard Dawkins, Peter Atkins, James Watson, Victor Stenger and many others who deny the existence of God in the name of the latest advancements in physics, biology and other scientific domains. The so-called "New Atheism" (championed by Richard Dawkins) sees God as a delusion, a by product of the mind of superstitious and scientifically uneducated people. "Because there is a law like gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing ... Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists and why we are here". This is the conclusion of The Grand Design, Hawking's latest book.

...Hawking states that a "law of gravity" exists and this (not God) creates the universe. Hawking surely also believes that gravity itself exists (since a law of gravity without "gravity" to describe would be meaningless). Now, if we say that X creates Y, we must presuppose the existence of X in the first place to bring Y into existence. Likewise, we must presuppose the existence of gravity to bring the universe into existence.

But Einstein's theory of relativity shows that this is illogical because it is like saying that gravity existed "before time" which is absurd. Did gravity spontaneously generate itself then?

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To: WilliamIII

yes. it is irrational to believe in man-made gorebul warming. given a belief in God is a belief in faith without scientific proof, environmentalism is a religion. or, if you believe in man-made gorebul warming you believe in the tooth fairy (because santa claus is real)


21 posted on 12/22/2011 5:06:46 PM PST by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: Doe Eyes
Who created God?

WHAT God does God believe in?

22 posted on 12/22/2011 5:07:01 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: sillipuddi
Well .. we're even. I don't believe that Stephen Hawkings exists!

LOL! I don't believe in atheists, either!

23 posted on 12/22/2011 5:07:54 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: WilliamIII

It is as irrational to dismiss an unprovable belief as it is to embrace it.


24 posted on 12/22/2011 5:09:05 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: RoosterRedux
And be rational and empirical about it. Go at it like your eternity depends on it.

And it does too.

26 posted on 12/22/2011 5:12:55 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: WilliamIII
Yes.
27 posted on 12/22/2011 5:13:43 PM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: sillipuddi

LoL!


28 posted on 12/22/2011 5:14:13 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: WilliamIII

I’m Stephen Hawking, and I do not believe that God exi...

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Windows is shutting down.


29 posted on 12/22/2011 5:14:49 PM PST by yank in the UK (decapitation before capitulation)
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To: WilliamIII
"Because there is a law like gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing ..."

Senseless gibberish.

Who, or what created that gravity? The "law" of gravity? The universe with the power to create itself from nothing?

If there is nothing there is no universe. How then can a universe create itself from nothing?

Either way you look at it, faith is required.

Either you have faith in God or you have faith that the magnificence of the universe and the wonder of life are the result of cosmic accident, with worlds whirling and ricocheting around the universe like steel balls in a Newtonian pinball machine run amok.


30 posted on 12/22/2011 5:15:57 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: WilliamIII
A local saying comes to mind and I have found it to be true on occasion. It goes: "That boy has done been educated beyond all usefulness and he is STILL dumber than a bucket of $#/+ !"
31 posted on 12/22/2011 5:16:07 PM PST by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: WilliamIII

That is a really smart set of people there. Maybe when they are frying in Hell, with Sadam, Osama, Khadafi, Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Pelosi, Harry Reid, et al, they can prove that Hell really doesn’t exist.


32 posted on 12/22/2011 5:17:35 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: WilliamIII

The question itself is irrational.

Rationality is a subset of mind within some individuals. In fact only a small minority of individuals are rational as a state of mind. A larger group are intermittently rational. But by far the greatest number are not.

There is a likelihood that the human species chose rationality as the specific center of our species’ mind for survival reasons. This is because when a person’s mind is near rationality, it is better disposed than with the easy distractions found in other states of mind.

That is, if you are being chased by a tiger, you do not want to become distracted by being overly focused on something unimportant; nor do you want to have an unfocused state of mind. You want to have a mindset of getting away from that tiger ASAP.

But, as a side effect of this rational state of mind, people tend to become self-centered, even to the point of thinking that they mentally define and can control reality, and in that way are like little gods.

Which as you might suspect comes into strong conflict with any mention of a supreme deity being in charge.

This conflict was known even to the ancient Hebrews. And they noted that the one thing someone could do that was pretty much guaranteed to get God’s attention, and not in a good way, was for a man to have godlike pretensions.

When someone like Nimrod, the Al Gore of the ancient world, tried to build the tower of Babel all the way to heaven, God put him in his place. But modern philosophers have recognized in Nimrod a kindred spirit.

The arrogance of rationality.


33 posted on 12/22/2011 5:17:50 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Iron Munro
Either you have faith in God or you have faith that the magnificence of the universe and the wonder of life are the result of cosmic accident, with worlds whirling and ricocheting around the universe like steel balls in a Newtonian pinball machine run amok.

To me it's not a difficult choice. Steven Hawking has his super brain power and I have my Savior. I wouldn't trade with him for all the world's gold.

34 posted on 12/22/2011 5:19:44 PM PST by Graybeard58 (No Obama, No Romney, No Paul, No Huntsman. We can do better than that!)
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To: WilliamIII
No matter how much scientists think they know, the simple fact is that we know NOTHING about human consciousness.

Just because you can see pretty colors on an MRI of a brain when the subject thinks of Schroedinger's cat doesn't mean you have a clue about what is going on in that brain, especially at the quantum mechanical level.

In quantum mechanics, consciousness and physical events are intimately intertwined.

I think this leaves plenty of room for a conscious entity far beyond our comprehension to bring the universe into existence by thinking about it.

35 posted on 12/22/2011 5:20:15 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: WilliamIII

When Stephen can find a self assembled pocket watch somewhere int he universe that did not have a builder, then we might not snicker at poor lost Stephen. It is the height of arrogance to proclaim that which he has zero chance of proving or disproving while still in his flesh, when all the known evidence points to there being a builder of it all rather than the absence of a builder for so much that is, that exists.


36 posted on 12/22/2011 5:22:56 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

A better question is: is it rational to behave as a Christian?

Of course not. Turning the other cheek, following all ten commandments out of hunger for spirituality and revulsion of sin puts you deep in Darwin’s crosshairs.

But I wouldn’t, couldn’t have it any other way.


37 posted on 12/22/2011 5:23:49 PM PST by txhurl (Perry/Pence 2012 OR Perry/Ryan 2012 or even better Perry/Abbott 2012!)
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To: Doe Eyes

Maybe you’ll find out when you get there...just make sure you get there.


38 posted on 12/22/2011 5:26:29 PM PST by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: PapaNew
Amen. The teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ are foolishness to unregenerate man, but it is actually men who are the fools. How arrogant to think that human beings, mere products of evolution according to atheists, know everything worth knowing about the origin of the universe.

In the simple calculations of men, a lifetime of "good behavior" is the secret, but the Savior taught us that a moment of decision and faith outweighed all that. No human would ever have reached that conclusion. Therefore we know that the wisdom of the Lord is not the ways of men, unlike the rationale of all other "religions."

39 posted on 12/22/2011 5:27:06 PM PST by hellbender
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To: WilliamIII
The "great" Stephen Hawking's model for the "spontaneous" creation of life and the universe around us contains about eight or so "coincidences" to which he admits and fluffs off. A few of them I can think of off the top of my head:There are several more that I can't recall from watching his series on the Universe.

I just remember laughing as he continued on his narrative of how life could have come about without God as he ticked off coincidence after coincidence. Uhhh . . . Yeah Stephen . . . you betcha. Ain't if funny how all of these "coincidences" kept happening at just the right time. /rolleyes

It's always amusing to see these clowns struggling to disprove the existence of God and having to come up with concepts far more unlikely that the existence of a Supreme Being to do so. LOL!!!
40 posted on 12/22/2011 5:27:42 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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