Is Rain Water An Industrial Pollutant? [EPA to shut down US logging for at least 10 years]

PowerLine ^ | December 8, 2011 | John Hinderaker

[DManA]

We have written repeatedly about the EPA’s war on energy and, more generally, on economic growth. But a case that may soon make its way to the Supreme Court is, critics argue, even more extreme than anything mandated by the Agency. The case is Georgia-Pacific West, Inc. et al. v. Northwest Environmental Defense Center. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled, reversing more than 35 years of practice and statutory interpretation, that runoff of rain water from forest roads that passes through one or more pipes or culverts constitutes point source pollution that must be permitted through the EPA’s NPDES program. 640 F.3d 1063. . . . The new administrative burdens the 9th Circuit decision puts on landowners and federal and state government is staggering. The U.S. Forest Service reports there are about 378,000 road miles in our national forests and that it will need about 400,000 permits. By the most conservative estimate, adding in state and private forests nearly doubles that number. Other estimates place the total well into the millions. Simply obtaining the Forest Service’s permits will take 10 years.

[MamaDearest]

All those out of work and starving forest workers, saw mill operators, carpenters, furniture manufacturers, pulp wood producers are just one more sector of the economy who will laugh as they see out of control Federal animals, Democrats, enemies of the Constitution, dangle from lamp posts.

It would include the building industry, lumber yards and homebuilding suppliers and the cost of lumber for weekend projects would be outrageous. The EPA and the 9th Circuit are clearly in need of dissolution.

[MrEdd]

If Romney. Perry, Wrong Paul, or Huntsman are the Republican nominee I vote write in or third party again - Not negotiable.

Newt I might could hold my nose for but it would be hard.

Santorum and Bachmann are far from perfect, but either is okay.

I think we could wind up with a brokered convention, and then who knows?

[Don Corleone]

The 9th circuit need to be abolished. These people are not Judges. They are crazy as loons.

Newt in one of his speeches promised to abolish the 9th Circuit court. I hope he does.

[Viking2002]

Good luck finding that candidate. I don't think there's a single one in the current crop who would even secretly harbor the desire to tilt at that windmill. We all might as well face it: it's going to take a bottom-up, 10th Amendment effort, state by state, and probably with a lot of local, jurisdictional civil defiance to put Washington in it's place. This country is too far over the waterfall to think that we're going to put one person at the top who will stop the insanity. The only types who would even want to occupy the Oval Office in this day and age are either delusional, or dictatorial to begin with.

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

[steelyourfaith]

bttt

[DManA]

In 2014 the cost of wood skyrockets. Now we have a now bunch of greedy business men to attack and investigate, and intimidate and destroy.

[stboz]

The EPA is a virus infecting all productive activities. It has no life of its own and exists only to infect and destroy whatever it contacts.

[PIF]

Many people think it will stop if we elect a Republican administration. I don’t.

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You are correct:
Nixon (R) began the EPA, Reagan (R) used it to decimate the US commercial fishing industry ... Clinton (D) brought the EPA via the spotted owl and the marbled muirlet to bear on what remained of the timber and the commercial fishing industries ... and went on to “better things” with the PLA ...

[jonascord]

The only dissolution is going to come from the barrel of a gun. I can't see the Environmental Gangsters and the 9th walking away from their power without an active and committed threat to their personal survival...

That they could even THINK of closing down the lumber industry and wrecking the country indicates that we need a great killing.

You know if they announce such a thing, that they actually believe they can do it without caring about any opposition.

[central_va]

Green is the new Red.

[dennisw]

This is a war waged by the imperial cities on the rural populations. Our most powerful imperial city is Washington DC which steals your taxes to squander on their hare brained schemes but we have many others in each state

[DManA]

Start noticing this meme that is being disseminated that cities are the solutions to our problems.

eg. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/12/city-solutions/kunzig-text

But I’m starting to see and here this everywhere. Not that it’s new. The smart growth people have been gradually maneuvering us into city ghettos for a decade or more.

Guess we’re not moooo-ving fast enough for them.

[Secret Agent Man]

No. Republicans declare land off limits for security and militray reasons. Dems do it so we can’t be energy independent and so we average folks can’t even walk or use it for anything anymore.

Either way same thing happens. Agenda 21 keeps on rolling.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Did you vote for McCain in the general election of 2008? I did but it was because of the thought of obama getting in. Newt is a heck of lot more palatable than McLame ever was. I still haven’t picked who I am voting for in the primary but it will be for the most conservative person who I think can beat Obama.

[MrEdd]

I wrote in Alan Keyes.

When people around here have problem with Mexican gangs, or an illegal with no insurance totals their car, I point out they are getting the illegals they personally voted to keep.