Posted on 12/04/2011 7:25:25 AM PST by edpc
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's military said on Sunday it had shot down a U.S. reconnaissance drone aircraft in eastern Iran, a military source told state television.
"Iran's military has downed an intruding RQ-170 American drone in eastern Iran," Iran's Arabic-language Al Alam state television network quoted the unnamed source as saying.
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F’em if they can’t take a joke. Load up another one and dip it in bacon fat...
Fars news agency claims Iranian cyber warfare unit took control of drone and captured it.
I guess they have to say something after the embarrassing events this past week, losing their lead missile personnel and a nuclear conversion facility. Also, add the humiliation of Stuxnet and Duqu.
“I don’t believe it for one second. This is propaganda.”
CNN reports that the DOD confirmed they “lost” contact and control to a RQ-170 over Afghanistan near the iranian border.
China threatens WW3 to defend Iran, Iran runs between China’s legs, and sticks out its tongue at us.
Perhaps. But China has already told Iran that they will not intervene if ISRAEL takes action against Iran re: their nuclear program. Even if China DID threaten to respond, however, Israel would STILL have no choice but to act against Iran, to prevent them from obtaining nukes.
It’s this simple — if Iran GETS nukes, they will USE nukes — FIRST, against Israel, THEN against the United States and Europe. China might defend Iran from the “big boys,” but Israel won’t be deterred, and absolutely will not stand by helplessly and be annihilated. Auschwitz, Treblinka and Dachau are STILL like yesterday — FRESH on the collective mind of Israel.
hope they gave the Horten Bros. credit, I’d swear it was a Go-229!
Forgive me if this is already a dead horse, but suppose the drone proves to be of the Trojan variety? If it presents itself as the most advanced spy drone, surely it must be a real temptation for the regime’s hackers, and who better to infect with some Son of Stuxnet contagion? Yes, they probably read Homer too, and most likely would not rush in, but just keeping them busy with the puzzle means they’re diverted, and, isn’t that itself kind of a mission accomplished?
Iran nukes Israel, Iran gets completely destroyed.
I’m sure the Iranians know this. How can you use a nuclear weapon on a country with nukes, and not be obliterated?
If you have an answer to this, can you please respond. You’d have to be utterly batshit crazy to nuke Israel, like completely utterly batshit crazy. Frothing at the mouth crazy,
could the Iranians be this crazy? I can’t see how there is any way possible that if Iran nuked Israel, Israel would not respond 10 fold.
IIRC isn’t there a way to test the radiation and find out where the radioactive material used came from? Even if delivered by a terrorist, everyone would know that the bomb came from Iran, right?
And - without doubt - 'we' won't breath a word to a soul, eh?
If you have an answer to this, can you please respond...could the Iranians be this crazy?
In a word — YES.
They are AT LEAST as crazy as you think they are — and then some. What most people miss is the fanatic dedication they have to their religion, and to their vision of the eschatological unfolding of the future.
These guys, the “Twelver’s,” a very extreme branch of Shi’a Muslims, of which Mahmoud Ahmadenijad, President of Iran is one, believe that Imam al-Mahdi (the “12th Imam”) the “Saviour” of all mankind and the final Caliph over the last great worldwide Islamic Caliphate (Empire) will “return,” and that it is their DUTY to create the circumstances that he must come and deliver them from. The “Mahdi” will come to a world plunged into chaos, accompanied by [the Muslim Prophet] Isa (Jesus Christ) and defeat Islam’s enemies, and set up the last Caliphate.
The “Twelver’s” believe it is THEIR role to “prepare the way for the arrival of Imam al-Mahdi,” and to “create the conditions that will bring about his arrival.” In other words, to advance militant Islam, create chaos, and push the world to the edge, so that only the “Mahdi” can “set things right.”
So — YES, they ARE that crazy, and THEN some. Consider these words, which NO ONE in the Western Leftist Media will REPORT, that were spoken by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad last September, 2011 in his annual address to the UN General Assembly:
“This movement is certainly on its rightful path of creation, ensuring a promising future for humanity. A future that will be built when humanity initiates to tread the path of the divine prophets and the righteous under the leadership of Imam al-Mahdi, the Ultimate Savior of mankind and the inheritor to all divine messengers and leaders and to the pure generation of our great Prophet.
The creation of a supreme and ideal society with the arrival of a perfect human being who is a true and sincere lover of all human beings, is the guaranteed promise of Allah.
He will come alongside with Jesus Christ to lead the freedom and justice lovers to eradicate tyranny and discrimination, and promote knowledge, peace, justice freedom and love across the world. He will present to every single individual all the beauties of the world and all good things which bring happiness for humankind.
Today nations have been awakened. With the increase in public awareness,they no longer succumb to oppressions and discriminations.
The world is now witnessing more than ever, the widespread awakening in Islamic lands, in Asia, Europe, and America. These movements are ever expanding their spirit everyday and influence the pursuit of the realization of justice, freedom and the creation of a better tomorrow.
Our great nation stands ready to join hands with other nations to march on this beautiful path in harmony and in line with the shared aspirations of mankind.
Let us salute love, freedom, justice, wisdom, and the bright future that awaits humankind.
Thank you.”
It should be noted that Ahmadenijad has said something like this in every one of his UN speeches since 2005, and each year he gets more clear and open, the last two years actually mentioning “Imam al-Mahdi” by title/name. He has also claimed, while in Iran, to have spoken of “speaking” to Imam al-Mahdi himself about his return.
So, is he that “crazy,” or that EVIL? Does it matter which? Would he really shoot nukes at Israel regardless of the consequences? Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic Revolution of Iran said that the important thing was the Islamic Revolution, NOT Iran. There is NO reason to believe Ahmadenijad feels any differently. In fact, even Khomeini thought the “Twelver’s” were nuts. They think if they die, they have 72 perpetual virgins in paradise, and if they live, they rule with the “Mahdi.”
YES — they are THAT CRAZY — and that EVIL. NOTE: I don’t say this without a little knowledge on the subject. In a College Professor of Religion and History — just sayin.’
Alright, then why hasn’t a nuke gone off somewhere, if they wanted to build a dirty bomb - they could. IF they wanted to buy a nuke AND use it, they probably could. It’s been a number of years since Iran has been trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and I’m sure there are a number of black market groups that have sold weapons grade material, and even possibly low yield nuclear weapons to terrorist states, and terrorist groups. I always wonder that why hasn’t a nuclear weapon been detonated? How close have we come? Would the public even know if a plot was foiled?
There must be something holding them back.
In regards to him speaking to the “mahdi” do you believe him?
Who did he say the “mahdi” was?
I am only asking because I believe that this man will be the antichrist, and if he has spoken to him, that would mean we are very close to some very very terrible things happening.
He has not said whom he thinks (or “knows”) the “Mahdi” is. According to Shi’a theology, he is the direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad. That’s all we know. I tend to agree with you, IF there is a “Mahdi,” he could very well end up being the Antichrist.
The only reason we haven’t had a nuke incident yet is because intelligence has managed to head them off — and no, I don’t think we’d really know about it necessarily if it happened. I imagine it has happened a time or two, and we are just gloriously oblivious to it. On the other hand, the “fable” of the suitcase nuke — that nukes can be smuggled in briefcases — is just that; it’s not reality. Most operative nukes are going to be a good bit bigger than a briefcase — and a good bit harder to conceal.
Of course, there may be one other reason that we haven’t had any other kind of WMD attack — nuke, biological or chemical — which is truly miraculous: “And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way” (2 Thessalonians 2:6,7). This refers directly to the one that will come, but I use it in reference to the “Restrainer,” the One who currently “letteth,” or “allows.” There are MANY evil things that COULD occur, but do NOT occur, and are not PERMITTED to occur, because the RESTRAINER is present to prevent their occurrence. That is my only explanation.
Only by God’s grace has something NOT happened yet. That could change at aly time.
He has not said whom he thinks (or “knows”) the “Mahdi” is. According to Shi’a theology, he is the direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad. That’s all we know. I tend to agree with you, IF there is a “Mahdi,” he could very well end up being the Antichrist.
The only reason we haven’t had a nuke incident yet is because intelligence has managed to head them off — and no, I don’t think we’d really know about it necessarily if it happened. I imagine it has happened a time or two, and we are just gloriously oblivious to it. On the other hand, the “fable” of the suitcase nuke — that nukes can be smuggled in briefcases — is just that; it’s not reality. Most operative nukes are going to be a good bit bigger than a briefcase — and a good bit harder to conceal.
Of course, there may be one other reason that we haven’t had any other kind of WMD attack — nuke, biological or chemical — which is truly miraculous: “And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way” (2 Thessalonians 2:6,7). This refers directly to the one that will come, but I use it in reference to the “Restrainer,” the One who currently “letteth,” or “allows.” There are MANY evil things that COULD occur, but do NOT occur, and are not PERMITTED to occur, because the RESTRAINER is present to prevent their occurrence. That is my only explanation.
Only by God’s grace has something NOT happened yet. That could change at any time.
Very good explanation, what about the 60 or so russian “suitcase” sized nuclear weapons, what are they, 10KT yield? I think they found 45 of them. This is a myth?
Also imanutjob said “I have spoken with the Mahdi” do you think he means that he has spoken to whom he believes the Mahdi is in person, or in some sort of vision, etc.
Very good explanation, what about the 60 or so russian “suitcase” sized nuclear weapons, what are they, 10KT yield? I think they found 45 of them. This is a myth?
Also imanutjob said “I have spoken with the Mahdi” do you think he means that he has spoken to whom he believes the Mahdi is in person, or in some sort of vision, etc.
As to the Russian “Suitcase Nukes,” I’ve never been able to find anything credible to suggest they were real. My best friend was Army security in West Berlin in the last days of the Cold War, and they were warned to “look out” for such things, but none were ever detected nor discovered — not in West Germany, anyway. Who knows if they existed anywhere else? IF they DID/DO exist, they would have to be so small as to be VERY low yield, because the mechanism — and the radioactive material — necessary, are generally are going to be quite a bit larger than a suitcase. Even low yield nukes of a few kilotons would likely have to come in containers at least the size of a trunk or a large foot locker...
As far as HOW Ahmadenijad has “spoken” to the “Mahdi,” who freaking knows?! If anyone in the Western media asked him (and the Leftist media NEVER will) he wouldn’t answer, and NO ONE in Iran would DARE ask him. I do know that since Ahmadinnerjacket first said he’d talked with the Mahdi,” the Grand Ayatollah Khameini has now said he, TOO, has chatted with the Mahdi. So, they all got something going on with Imam al-Mahdi who fell down a well over 1000 years ago and hasn’t been heard from since. But apparently, Allah is allowing him to talk to these two...nuts, somehow.
Is it real or just a paper mache replica?
Rumor has it the Chinese helped the Iranians interfere with the comms.
Here's some pics of what the Itranians showed compared to what we have.
Looks like they got one, and then when the people on the ground wanted to strike the wreckage theuy were over-ruled because someone didn'tr want to further inflame the Iranians.
My thinking would have put a JDAM on target and if the Iranian Revolutionary Guard was already there, all the better. it's past time we paid them back for killing US soldiers in Iraq in border incursions there.
Looks like a real one.
I would have thought that there would be a self destruct fail safe that would blow it up if communications was lost.
Too bad the Chinese and or Russians will be examining the technology.
Sounds like an opportunity to kneecap the Chinese.
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