Georgetown students shed light on China’s tunnel system for nuclear weapons

Washington Post ^ | Nov 29, 2011 | William Wan

[posterchild]

The Chinese have called it their “Underground Great Wall” — a vast network of tunnels designed to hide their country’s increasingly sophisticated missile and nuclear arsenal.

For the past three years, a small band of obsessively dedicated students at Georgetown University has called it something else: homework.

Led by their hard-charging professor, a former top Pentagon official, they have translated hundreds of documents, combed through satellite imagery, obtained restricted Chinese military documents and waded through hundreds of gigabytes of online data.

[redgolum]

Which is why arms control treaties are very stupid.

The other guy won’t play by the same rules.

[wrench]

This kinda sheds new light on that “unknown” missile launch off California last year............

[Kenny Bunk]

Until a CHICOM tunnel accidentally comes up in the courtyard of the Pentagon, our military will probably continue to turn a rather blind eye to this sort of underground threat, just as they did for the Tunnels of Cu Chi in Vietnam, where the NVA and Viet Cong had a veritable IRT line, complete with massive underground bases, from Hanoi to Saigon!

Another example, Chernobyl, which was a plant dedicated to producing weapons-grade fissionable products, with electricity as sort of a sideline, was connected to weapons factories by many miles of tunnels.

I would not doubt for an instant that the Iranians are tunneling away like moles to protect their nuke capabilities.

[Joya]

Thanks. Another piece to the puzzle.

= = =
Only in their wishful thinking is China less terrifying than the one their parents (grandparents) faced in 1961.

[Tulsa Ramjet]

What’s a thousand or two,...?
North Korea obtains these and proliferates,...we do nothing.
Iran is obtaining these and will probably proliferate,...we do nothing.
We have become the United States of Do Nothings, where policy actions are dictated by election cycles.

[Psycho_Bunny]

“But the strongest condemnation has come from nonproliferation experts who worry that the study could fuel arguments for maintaining nuclear weapons in an era when efforts are being made to reduce the world’s post-Cold War stockpiles.”

Lol.......what? “Experts”. Lol

[alancarp]

Let’s see... who’s gonna get a better job after graduation: these kids or the ones enrolled at the “Georgetown State-Federal Climate Resource Center”?

These guys, for sure.

[alancarp]

Actually, I can answer my own question - I missed this paragraph:

"Beyond its impact in the policy world, the project has made a profound mark on the students — including some who have since graduated and taken research jobs with the Defense Department and Congress."

[null and void]

What’s the big deal? Morlocks need a place to live too...

[mkjessup]

But China is our fwiend and our best twading pawtner. Plus, they finance a bunch of ouw debt!

Which awwows us to purchase all those mansions and yawts!

[newnhdad]

so now we crowd source intel work, great.

After reading this comparison, I though Obama convinced the Soviets to eliminate their stockpile? Why should we worry, we are surrendering, errr, “disarming unilaterally” just to show the world we won’t defend ourselves anymore.

What is wrong with those people, Obama is president now, everyone loves us.

[American in Israel]

Doing the work the Government should be doing while the government is doing the work schools used to do. The new “free” society has its head in the wrong place.

[sam_paine]

This kinda sheds new light on that “unknown” missile launch off California last year............

Yeah. The way Caddyshack sheds light on the Roswell incident.

[xkaydet65]

You hit either with even 1500 nukes do you really think their tunnels,or the fact that we have none will matter? The image of 3000 nuclear explosions in say a 48 hour span in the Northern hemisphere will insure that the only winners would be the very undeveloped world.The Chinese no more believe in surviving a nuclear exchange with the US than the Soviets did, MAD actually works and history proved it.

[xkaydet65]

You hit either with even 1500 nukes do you really think their tunnels,or the fact that we have none will matter? The image of 3000 nuclear explosions in say a 48 hour span in the Northern hemisphere will insure that the only winners would be the very undeveloped world.The Chinese no more believe in surviving a nuclear exchange with the US than the Soviets did, MAD actually works and history proved it.

[xkaydet65]

You hit either with even 1500 nukes do you really think their tunnels,or the fact that we have none will matter? The image of 3000 nuclear explosions in say a 48 hour span in the Northern hemisphere will insure that the only winners would be the very undeveloped world.The Chinese no more believe in surviving a nuclear exchange with the US than the Soviets did, MAD actually works and history proved it.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

We won’t launch. Why should everybody die? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Better it go on with one eye. Chinese people are just as good as we are, so what difference is it if they take over the world? The important thing is that life goes on. (Not necessarily human life - We’re not morally superior to microbes.) Nuking China might make pandas extinct in the wild.

[familyop]

"The image of 3000 nuclear explosions in say a 48 hour span in the Northern hemisphere will insure that the only winners would be the very undeveloped world."

We derived quite a few benefits from the many nuke shots at the Nevada test site alone, and we're still here after those and many other shots outside of Nevada (see Russian shots, all).







"The Chinese no more believe in surviving a nuclear exchange with the US than the Soviets did, MAD actually works and history proved it."

Tell that to the Islamists. The Iranians alone want over a million casualties in the first nuke exchange in order to light up Islamist nations against us (statement a few years ago from Ayatollah puppet, Ahmadinejad). Russia has been hard at work in preparing them to do so, and China's looking for the opportunity to take more real estate.

[xkaydet65]

The article was about the Chinese not the Islamists. I told a Muslim co worker after 9/11 when he glibly told me we couldn’t fight Islam because there were a billion muslims. I reminded him that tomorrow there could be 600million, and we’d start from there.So we do not have to care,as this time, if the muzzies don’t believe in MAD.For them there is no MAD only AD.

[familyop]

It's relevant.

Lawmaker: Iran's Revolutionary Guard Practicing for An EMP Attack on the United States
13 Nov 2011
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2806848/posts

Iran Placing Medium-Range Missiles in Venezuela; Can Reach the U.S. (12/09/10)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2640111/posts

‘Die Welt’: Iran building rocket bases in Venezuela (17 May 2011)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2721122/posts

Iran readies launch of new satellite
(Iran's second satellite launch, 11/09/2009
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2382720/posts

Russia, N.Korea, China give Iran missile aid -CIA
09/08/01
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/519198/posts

Iran military engineers on hand for N. Korea missile launch
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1664760/posts
(7/12/06)

10 Iranian Missile Engineers Visited N. Korea:Sankei reports(check on NK’s Chinese equipments)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1658850/posts
(07/01/06)

S. Korea, U.S. verifying reports on test of new N.K. missile in Iran: source
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834307/posts
(4,000 kilometer range—will reach the Vatican—May 16th, 2007)

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2177582/posts

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By Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Feb. 3, 2009
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=52939

Iran hails successful launch of satellite rocket
Posted on Wed 03 Feb 2010 02:51:50 AM MST
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2443266/posts

Iran's Nukes: Apocalypse Soon?
IBD Editorials ^ | June 8, 2011 | Staff

"Terror: Iran is speeding up its nuclear materials production and moving it underground amid reports that the regime is eight weeks from atomic bomb capability. Doomsday, anyone?"