"Go to America. Collect your Amnesty.
Collect thousands of dollars in Social Services payouts."
Posted on 11/25/2011 10:04:03 PM PST by Fred
f Newt Gingrich is a "policy wonk" as his friends proclaim, he is a very lazy one. He should have read the Kriebel Foundation's "Red Card Solution" before endorsing it as a non-amnesty solution to our immigration conundrum.
The so-called Red Card Solution purports to create a new guest-worker program that solves all of our immigration problems. It strengthens border security, helps employers fill low-skilled jobs, bars criminals from participation and does all of this by "empowering the private sector" without use of taxpayer dollars. Maybe in the fine print it also wipes out the national debt.
The problem is, it does none of those things, and anyone who takes time to actually read the full 41-page "white paper" instead of the press handout will see this.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
"Go to America. Collect your Amnesty.
Collect thousands of dollars in Social Services payouts."
It looks like Tancredo NAILS IT. The plan DOES put illegals into the head of the line in that they get to live here as citizens (except not vote), work here, enjoy our benefits, have kids here, while others that didn’t sneak over are still stuck in Haiti, Sudan, and other countries. Seems like a HUGE REWARD for sneaking in...
Here’s the exact quote, starting at the very last sentence of Page 27:
“The “Red Card” would provide no path to citizenship or to permanent resident status at all. In accordance with the
founding American principle of equal opportunity under the law, anyone in the world can apply to be a U.S. citizen,
whether they are here as guest workers or not.”
http://krieble.org/Websites/krieble/Images/files/Red%20Card%20Solution%20White%20Paper.pdf
One Repub. after another is falling on the sword on this issue. These RINO idiots just can’t figure out that these guest-worker and registration schemes are a LOSER position and the people have had enough.
Living in Alabama as I do i’ve found that people who defend the invaders or act like nothing can be done are one of 3 things
A liberal
B someone involved with a church whose afraid of dwindling membership or
C someone who is helped in some way or another by the slave labor
Alabama has turned the “We cant do anything” meme into a red herring
Take the reasons they are here away and THEY WILL LEAVE
“1) seal the border
2) make English the official language
3) turn off the magnet - no welfare benefits to non-citizens
4) establish a guest worker system where anyone in the county illegally has to register for a card to be allowed to work legally. Registering for that card establishes the location of the illegals, and gives an indication of the number of illegals that are really here. I’d bet it’s a lot more than 12 million.
Now that the influx has stopped, the magnet is off, and you know how many are here and where they are, figure out if and how you’re going to deport them.”
And you can’t see that #4 creates the MAGNET that you’re trying to shut off????
Why do we even have to talk legalization NOW? Why doesn’t Newt or whoever simply demonstrate that they can build a wall and from there, after the wall is built (and hopefully electrified), we can talk about the illegals. They’ve been here for decades, they can wait another 2 years.
...but no, we ALWAYS have to tie legalization, or amnesty, when talking about securing the border. WHY???????????
And 40% of the estimated 12 to 20 million illegals came here legally and overstayed their visas.
” No E-Verify, no workee
No E-Verify, no welfare
Most would self deport.”
It sure has worked here in Arizona.
Illegals here have deported themselves by the 10’s of thousands the past couple of years.
So when a candidate says they’re going to round ‘em up and ship ‘em out, why should we believe THEM?
I see Newt’s mind going so fast that he does flip flop on issues as he thinks about things. Doesn’t mean we want someone like that in the White House though.
Just make it criminal tax “FRAUD” for a business to treat compensation for illegals as a business expense. A proper E-verify receipt/proof is a full defense. That will stop 90% of illegal employment.
Similar withholding of federal funds from states who let federal dollars reach unverified illegals.
One must ask the question. If millions of illegals enter this country and end up with a path to citizenship or outright amnesty, wouldn't this ultimately kill the republican party?
So, why then would republicans allow a steady stream of illegals to flow into the U.S. for decades? Why would republicans support legal immigration on steroids for decades?
Republican or Democrat party in power makes no difference. The integration of the two societies is just about complete.
Want to see a perfect example of,”The New World Order”, one doesn't have to look any further than our own beloved United States of America.
We've lost our borders, our language, and our culture. Spanglish anyone?
Bueno bye
Or perhaps quit allowing state income tax to be deductible on federal income taxes. States like CA, some of the sanctuary cities and their citizens don’t care as they easily deduct it from their federal taxes . . . so we are all subsidizing their sanctuary cities.
Don't forget the EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT!
The comprehensive Immigration Reform package George Bush along with Lindsey Graham, Ted Kennedy attempted to shove down our throats, each individual that received legal status would have had the opportunity to bring other family members to this country on compassionate grounds.
Since most illegals live below the poverty line as defined by federal policy, these new legal citizens would be given the right to file for the EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT under IRS tax code.
Result = Illegals granted amnesty and get a huge taxpayer funded handout to the tune of billions.
Look it up, this lil gem was buried in the immigration legislation surrounded by complicated legal jargon to throw off the American citizen.
2. Under no circumstance can a path to citizenship be created which would allow those who have broken the law to receive precedence over those who patiently waited to become residents and citizens via the legal process. Those who adhered to our immigration law cannot be usurped by those who violated it.
One of Newt's three principles. So Newt does envision a path to citizenship being created. It's just more "back of the line" crapola. Pay a fine, learn English, and get to the back of the line was the in the McCain/Kennedy bill.
The United States must control its border. It is a national security imperative.
Agreed. Newt fails to mention that 40% of the 12 to 20 million illegals came here legally and overstayed their visas. No mention of full implementation of the 1996 US-VISIT program to track and deport illegals.
“In-source” the best brains in the world. We have the best universities in the world, but many foreigners who come to study are turned away and sent back home as soon as they get their degree. It is foolish to educate someone well enough for them to start the next job-creating startup, only to force them to leave America and start their business overseas. We want the jobs here and that means we want the job creators here.
This could be done by allowing easier transition from an F (student) visa to an H1-B (high-skill) visa. Currently foreign students who want to work in the United States must leave the country and begin their application process from scratch. We should remove this inefficiency and allow qualified foreign students to transition immediately into the American workforce.
We have 25 million Americans looking for fulltime emplpoyment and close to 15 million without a job. How about we reform our education system and produce our own high skilled workers. We have the H1B visa program being used to import elementary school teachers from the Philippines. For example, 10% of the teachers in the Prince George's County, MD were H1B visas from the Philippines.
The student visa was never meant to be a pathway to citizenship or a green card. There are 720,000 foreign students in the US. The number has been increasing for the past five years. 90,000 of those students come from China. There are national security issues involved. We are bringing in 1.2 million legal immigrants a year, many of whom lack even a high school diploma. Instead of adding more workers via student visas, why not change to a merit based immigration system vice the current kinship system?
Today, the visa program for unskilled workers is cumbersome for employers and workers, and completely inflexible to the labor demands of the American economy. The number of temporary work visas granted stays capped, regardless of how many workers American businesses needs at any point – this is why, when the demand for additional labor is high, many foreigners come here to work illegally. The solution to this problem is a well-regulated, robust guest worker program.
We have no shortage of unskilled workers in this country. We do have 8 million illegal immigrants in the workforce, 7 million of whom are in non-agricultural jobs. Black unemployment is at 16% and Hispanics are at 11.3%. Businesses want to hire illegals because they are cheaper and more exploitable and there is an inexhaustible supply that just keeps depressing wages more and more.
The latest data show 22.1 million immigrants holding jobs in the U.S. with an estimated 8 million being illegal aliens. By increasing the supply of labor between 1980 and 2000, immigration reduced the average annual earnings of native-born men by an estimated $1,700 or roughly 4 percent. Among natives without a high school education, who roughly correspond to the poorest tenth of the workforce, the estimated impact was even larger, reducing their wages by 7.4 percent. The reduction in earnings occurs regardless of whether the immigrants are legal or illegal, permanent or temporary. It is the presence of additional workers that reduces wages, not their legal status.
Newt is in the pocket of the Chamber of Commerce. They want a "robust guest worker program" along with amnesty.
Create a path to earned legality for some of the millions of people who are here outside the law. There are currently anywhere from 8 to 12 million people living in the United States who entered illegally...Congress must charge the Department of Justice to establish a “citizens’ review” process for those here outside the law. It would establish committees to process these cases in individual communities and determine who will continue on this path to legality, and who will be sent home.
The government will rigorously enforce a requirement that all individuals seeking this path to legality must be able to prove that they can independently pay for private health insurance. If an individual cannot prove this, they will lose the ability to stay in the United States. Furthermore, proficiency in English within a certain number of years, similar to the requirement for naturalization, will be required for anyone who seeks continued legal status in the United States.
Once an applicant has been granted the right to obtain legal status, he or she will have to pay a penalty of at least $5,000.
No matter how much this con man tries to deny that this is an amnesty, the more rope he provides to hang himself. This is pure sophistry. Besides being unworkable and uneforceable, he sets up these community committees to determine who can stay and who must go. I guess he envisions them voluntarily stepping forward to be judged. Can you imagine such commissions in LA and SF or any of the other sanctuary cities and states in this country?
Newt wants a second class of LPRs who can never become citizens yet one of his principles is that they must get to the back of the line if a path to citizenship becomes available. They must be able to afford health insurance. Would they be eligible Obamacare subsidies like everyone else? Or EITC? I cannot imagine any court agreeing that we will treat these LPR's any differently than the current LPRs and other immigrants. We have 60 million on Medicaid today, many of them are illegal aliens who gain access thru their American born children. In fact, 57% of all immigrant headed households with children use at least one major welfare program.
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Newt has set the price of admission to this country at $5,000. There are litterally billions in the world who would be willing to pay that fee and get the privilege of living and working here, having access to our educational and medical systems, clean water, etc.Deportation of criminals and gang members should be efficient and fast.
This is right out of McCain/Kenndy. McCain estimated that there are 2 million "criminal aliens." He said they should be deported "immediately." I guess we can deport 2 million immediately but not 8-11 million.
Politicians who respond that we should deport “criminal” illegal aliens and that “undocumented workers who play by the rules” should have their status regularized in some way by the federal government, i.e., pay a fine, learn English, and get to the back of the line on a earned path to citizenship are supporters of amnesty. Trying to create two classes of illegal aliens is a distinction without a difference, except if you are intent on treating them differently, i.e., providing one group with an amnesty.
Obama is currently implementing a backdoor amnesty. He is reviewing the 300,000 cases of illegals ordered deported and separating out the "criminal aliens" from the rest of law abiding illegal aliens. No real definition of what a criminal means. Illegal aliens have entered illegally, commited ID theft, worked illegal, guilty of tax evasion, etc. The criminals will be deported while the remaining will have their cases closed and be issued work permits thus legalizing their status.
Young non-citizens who came to the United States outside the law should have the same right to join the military and earn citizenship.
This was part of the Dream Act. Currently, the military does not accept any illegal aliens. They are ineligible to join. Legal permanent residents can join and receive an expeditied path to citizenship. Newt wants to enact one part of the Dream Act. The other path was for those illegal aliens enrolled in college. Do we really need illegal aliens in our military, which has been reduced in size. Surely we have enough LPRs and American citizens to meet our requirements. And once those illegal aliens obtain their citizenship, they can sponsor their relatives to join them here. This includes their parents, uncles, aunts, siblings, etc.
Anyone buying Newt's crap is not a conservative or they are too dumb to understand what is contained in Newt's plan. It is amnesty pure and simple.
No E-Verify, no workee
No E-Verify, no welfare
Most would self deport.
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Right. Because menial jobs + welfare is what these people live on. I see it everyday. They work hard — I will give them that. But they also suck up welfare like a hose. I’ve seen that too.
Never forget working as a student nurse and going out on “home health visits” with the RN’s. We’d go to the homes of these illegals. The “man” was always out working on the lawn or construction job, while the woman of the house was home, spitting out anchor brats and lining up at the welfare office. They just basically get up in the a.m. and PARK IT at the “family services” office, obtaining their health care, shots, birth control (which they never used), free car seats, applying for utility aid, WIC, you name it. This allowed them to live in nice, spacious apartments with big screen TV’s, plenty of food in their cabinets, new furniture, etc.
It’s a direct transfer of wealth from the taxpayer to the jerks who hire these little pawns. It’s a SCAM, basically. And it’s a cancer on our country.
Tancredo is a 2 time election loser.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-19-tancredo_N.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjo6GXSqIN8
Illegal aliens want legal status. Citizenship is off their radar. They just want to be able to live and work here, to get on welfare legally and go to university without any hassles. I would give them none of this. This is an insult to all legal immigrants and an insult to American citizenship. This dilutes American citizenship when our county gets filled with "legalized" intruders who only see dollar signs. Who have less than zero loyalty to America.
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