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Dear Defkalion, No need to feel bad., you're probably not the first or the last.

By all means do the read more link.

1 posted on 11/24/2011 12:29:44 PM PST by count-your-change
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To: count-your-change

If true, that would answer the question as to whether he is trustworthy.


2 posted on 11/24/2011 12:45:47 PM PST by PAR35
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To: count-your-change
Takes one to know one.
3 posted on 11/24/2011 12:47:30 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The very idea of a community organizer is to stir up a mob for some political purpose." Ann Coulter)
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To: count-your-change

From the comments on the article you posted Defkalion may be a creation of Rossi’s. All part of a bigger smoke screen.


4 posted on 11/24/2011 12:57:41 PM PST by DB
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To: Kevmo

ping


5 posted on 11/24/2011 1:12:45 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: count-your-change

This is disconcerting information for those hoping in the reality of the E-cat. Plus it is puzzling - Defkalion says they have an improved E-cat themselves. How can they be wrong about their own device? Count this as a strike against both Rossi and the larger reality of the (apparent) proliferation of E-cat claims.


6 posted on 11/24/2011 2:08:34 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: count-your-change

Putting the best possible face on this, I believe that Rossi was just putting his thumb in the eye of a potential competitor to slow him down.

I’d still bet on Rossi. I think he has the goods. He’s being very secretive right now because it’s his invention, he wants patent protection, and he knows damn well that as soon as the physics behind it become common knowledge, there’s going to be a hundred or more rip-off artists firing up plants to churn out imitations.

We shall see.


8 posted on 11/24/2011 2:27:13 PM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: count-your-change; Wonder Warthog; Kevmo; Lx

I don’t think there IS an arm’s length Defkalion. I’ll bet it’s Rossi himself. This whole thing just REEKS of scam, and the reek only gets stronger day by day...


12 posted on 11/24/2011 3:01:13 PM PST by dinodino
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To: count-your-change
This seems as good a place as any for this:

Here are the stories I can find about Rossi's criminal background (Note that sometimes Google Translate translates "Andrea Rossi" into "Andrew Smith"):

January 8, 1992: Rossi indicted with 8 others, based on false invoices related to building a factory. [Italian] [English]

April 12, 1992: Rossi found guilty, sentenced to 4 months, suspended, for illegal transport, storage, but acquitted on illegal dumping. [Italian] [English]

March 24, 1993: Rossi sentenced to 8 months in prison, suspended, for violating the rules related to waste disposal. [Italian] [English]

March 9, 1994: Rossi's Petrol Dragon company forced to shut down over toxic waste issues. According to the story, there was no sign of Rossi actually converting wast into fuel, and one of his customers had claimed to be purchasing the fuel from Rossi well over a year <b>after</b> Rossi's plant had been shut down. [Italian] [English]

March 28, 1995: Another story describing the industrial waste left in silos by Rossi's company, Petrol Dragon, which had supposedly been converted into fuel. [Italian] [English]

March 29, 1995: Background of Rossi's jewelery business, and the charges of fraud related to phony gold shipments. [Italian] [English]

March 30, 1995: Rossi and four others accused of fake invoices for sale of tens of kilos of gold." [Italian] [English]

April 6, 1995: story about charges of money laundering and tax evasion related to false billing for the transfer of 46 billion ingots of gold (2,323 lbs.). [Italian] [English]

May 24, 1995: Rossi arrested for "criminal association aimed at the false invoicing and tax evasion." [Italian] [English]

January 25, 1996: Rossi complains about the loss of Petrol Dragon, claims innocence. [Italian] [English]

February 20, 1996: Preliminary hearing on gold fraud charges. [Italian] [English]

April 25, 1996: Article with Rossi's boasts of a process to convert waste into fuel, and description of the warehouses storing the unprocessed waste. [Italian] [English]

September 25, 1996: Article about criminal conspiracy to commit fraud and false tax invoices, along with five accomplices. Rossi claimed to have shipped "60 billion" (Lira?) of gold which didn't exist. [Italian] [English]

March 19, 1997: Rossi's conviction for illegal storage and disposal of toxic waste was upheld by the Court of Appeals. [Italian] [English]

May 23, 1997: Rossi sentenced to 2 years, 8 months for tax fraud. He created fictitious invoices between four companies he managed. [Italian] [English]

February 24, 1998: Two of Rossi's employees get plea deal. [Italian] [English]

October 23, 1998: Article about the cleanup efforts from the toxic waste sites left by Rossi's company. [Italian] [English]

June 1, 2000: Described as "Fugitive in the U.S.", Rossi is arrested in Rome for aggravated fraud and bankruptcy fraud" Accused of being "on the run" for about a year. Accused of leaving "dozens of stores in Northern Italy overflowing [with] industrial sewage." [Italian] [English]

October 20, 2000: Rossi sentenced to 8 years for fraudulent bankruptcy. [Italian] [English]

October 19, 2003: Article about how Rossi's customers are having to pay millions of Euros to pay for the cleanup of the toxic waste dump sites left by Rossi's company. [Italian] [English]

November 27, 2004: Rossi acquitted on toxic waste dumping charges. 41 million Euros were spent to clean up the waste dump left by Rossi's company. [Italian] [English]


Conclusions:

After that, Rossi appears to drop off the radar in the Italian press until he shows up with his E-Cat.

15 posted on 11/24/2011 3:30:37 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: count-your-change

e-Kittens?


20 posted on 11/24/2011 4:34:14 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: count-your-change

Ah, the “Tuco” character, in “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.” Well done. Will Rossi appear in a spaghetti western soon?


23 posted on 11/24/2011 4:55:41 PM PST by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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