Posted on 11/22/2011 3:37:12 PM PST by kristinn
Hosted by the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, the theme of tonight's Republican presidential debate is foreign policy and national security.
The debate is being held at Constitution Hall in Washington, D.C.
CNN is carrying the debate live at 8 p.m. EST.
Participating candidates are: businessman Herman Cain, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, former Speaker Newt Gingrich, Reps. Ron Paul (TX) and Michele Bachmann (MN), former Gov. Jon Huntsman, and former Sen. Rick Santorum.
Oh ... Have Nice Day
Is that form for folks already in the US illegally?
“A courageous candidate would have said: “ I support deporting all illegal aliens including those related to the current setting president!”
Priceless - let’s dare them!
He's wrong as we see from Alabamas recent laws which have simply moved illegals into other states....it must be federal in nature and throughtout the nation.
Nope! you would be wrong!
Well that's not to swift of a comment ....there are plenty coming here who have intentions other than the local benefit programs....of course the border is an issue dah!
Sometimes I am in the third grade as “George of the Jungle” was a good one.
Cheers!
I think by now most get that Cain is in over his head.. but that doesn't help those who were hoping otherwise he'd come thru. He established patterns we can now follow so we know before he speaks what he's going to say and do.
Here’s a map (though from a liberal organization):
http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0042
Most states have some form of voter ID. Nine states currently require a photo ID. But it does no good to have it if you’ve got 30 million illegals from Latin America who have swamped our country and are going to be given amnesty: their voting will be the end of this country as we know it, whether or not they have photo IDs with them when they vote.
Why do you say that.......
(In every sense of the word...)
Look up her posting history as a Perry Krishna.
But when you put it together with her posts on this thread, her having a deep personal interest in the issue is one plausible explanation.
Cheers!
Illegal entitlement is not an option
Apr 19, 2006
By Herman Cain
The movement to grant amnesty and eventual U.S. citizenship to some 12 million illegal aliens has turned the issue from the sounds of silence to the sounds of entitlement.
The entitlement mentality did not begin in America, but it has flourished here in the last century. The American claim on entitlements to health care, retirement income and seemingly any “right” one can conceive was birthed from the womb of Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, reared by Kennedy’s New Frontier and came of age in Johnson’s Great Society. U.S. citizens, fanned by the flames of those who encourage class warfare, are increasing their demands for government-redistributed income and programs that guarantee outcomes, not opportunities. Non-citizens are now voicing the sounds of entitlement to an easy road to citizenship.
The entitlement attitude that has been ingrained in millions of Americans has blinded them to the ineffectiveness and runaway costs of their favorite programs. The fiscal challenge in meeting the future demands of the Medicare and Medicaid programs is well documented, as is the coming bankruptcy of the Social Security system. Yet few elected officials dare to even utter those programs’ names in public for fear of electoral retaliation.
Too many Americans also claim an entitlement to additional health care coverage from their employers. If they do not receive health care as a benefit, they believe the government should mandate it. The Maryland state legislature last year enacted a law requiring companies with over 10,000 employees to contribute 8 percent of total payroll to employees’ health care. The legislature is now looking at ways to require all employers, including non-profit organizations, to pay a percentage of their employees’ health care costs. Other states are considering the same plan.
Illegal aliens know they can receive free health care in hospital emergency rooms, paid for by U.S. taxpayers. A little publicized provision in the 2003 Medicare Modernization Act set aside $250 million in taxpayer dollars to reimburse hospitals for costs associated with treating illegal aliens. In a twist of logic only Congress could conceive, hospitals are barred from asking an emergency room patient if they are in the U.S. illegally. The long-run cost of this provision will surely skyrocket as hospitals continue to submit claims on coverage of people who may be illegal aliens.
Illegal aliens living and working in the U.S. have now co-opted the entitlement mentality present in too many Americans. Worse, their demands for the right to vote, guaranteed by our Constitution to citizens only, and access to social services are encouraged by elected officials trying to buy their future votes. At recent rallies Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Hillary Clinton (D-NY), to name just two, argued that illegal aliens must be allowed to remain in the U.S. and put on the path toward full citizenship rights. In other words, let’s skip the illegal part.
In addition to demands for voting rights, health care coverage and U.S. citizenship, many illegal aliens feel they are entitled to U.S. soil itself. Two groups that have helped organize the illegal alien rallies across the country, the Aztlan Movement and the Mexica Movement, believe it is American citizens who are in fact on their continent illegally. The Aztlan Movement seeks to create a separate nation comprised of northern Mexico and parts of the American Southwest, including California, Arizona and New Mexico. Members of the Mexica Movement, who waved signs at recent rallies that read “This Is Our Continent, Not Yours”, seek to completely remove Americans from North America and surrender control of the U.S. to Mexico.
The entitlement and class warfare mentality fostered for a century by liberal presidents, congressional leaders, labor union leaders and heads of liberal organizations in fact obscures their real goal. They seek complete government control of our lives and our businesses, which ultimately can only be achieved with your vote. Since the inception of the income tax code in 1913, to the birth of the Social Security system in 1935 and the programs that have followed, the end goal is always bigger government. It is also important to remember that those who occupy the positions of power will try to achieve their goal by any means possible. If it takes convincing the public that our planet is somehow warming because we drive cars with the air conditioner running, then so be it. If it takes increasing entitlement spending programs to 100 percent of the federal budget, so be it. Whatever it takes.
The United States would never have become the United States had the litany of entitlement programs and the unnatural attitudes they foster been in place in the 1800s and early 1900s. This was the time when newly freed slaves struck out to work on achieving their own dreams, when American expansion and settlement headed west, and when millions of Europeans crossed the Atlantic for a hard but better life. The only thing promised was abundant opportunity, given in exchange for assimilation and adherence to the rule of law.
We must demand that our president and Congress secure our borders and our sovereignty as a nation of laws and citizen rights. To those who enter this country legally, welcome to America. Illegal entitlement is not an option.
Gardasil was the biggest pile of **** to ever sail down the pike.
It was designed for low tax opt out.
Again: “The Immigration Bill could have succeeded if the political class in Congress and the president had listened to the public and addressed the four distinct problems. Namely, secure the borders convincingly, expand the temporary worker program for skilled legal immigrants, establish a reliable legal immigrant identification program and then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (and counting) illegal persons who broke our laws to get here, but not amnesty.”
BUT NOT AMNESTY. A “reasonable plan” is sending back from whence they came whenever they are found and telling them to apply to come in the right way. Nowhere does he say “AND FIND A REASONABLE WAY TO LET THEM STAY”. For instance, it’s not reasonable (or economically feasible) to knock on every door in the country and ask for papers. It is feasible to shift more responsibility on the employers to vouch for the legality of their employees. It is feasible to cut off all federal aid to sanctuary cities. It is feasible to ask for proof of being here legally when stopped for even a minor traffic infraction and sending the illegals back home. It is feasible to have a better way for people (especially skilled workers) to come here legally. When it’s easier to come here and stay here illegally than when you come here legally, that’s a problem. And an easier process for those coming in the front door is also is incentive. None of these ideas have anything to do with amnesty yet all of them are ideas that could deal with the illegals currently here. Whether they’re the exact ideas Cain has, I can’t say but they deal with the problem without amnesty.
You are good in my book. I will vote for Newt in general if nominated. In primary I am voting Cain since IMHO he is more electable. There is a distinct possibility Cain could get higher % of votes from blacks than any others running. Could make the difference.
http://oldlineelephant.com/2011/02/23/interview-herman-cain/
MRN: If elected, how would a Cain administration deal with border security and illegal immigration?
HC: First things first: the term "comprehensive immigration reform" tossed around by liberals is simply code for "do nothing" which becomes amnesty.
There are 3 steps to solving our illegal immigration problem: securing the border (we put a man on the moon, so this isn't that hard!); enforce the laws; promote the existing path to citizenship.
1. Secure the border
2. Enforce the laws [that already exist. No special work visas for illegals.]
3. Promote the existing path to citizenship. [No special laws for illegals]
In other words, illegals are illegal, no new special path to citizenship just apply for citizenship from your home nation as it exists on the books today.
Vote for the chosen candidate, warts and all, but do not let oboma win under any circumstances. It will be a step- by-step process to turn this country right-side-up, and We The People must keep vigilant and ride rough-shod over our elected Republican/Conservative politicians. But first we must elect a Republican/Conservative.
God help us if we fail to do so.
So you’re not going to deport the 12 year old who was born and raised here. Just his father. Or maybe his mother and father.
Right.
Hank
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