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Beer & Bullets to Go: Ancient 'Takeout' Window Discovered [Godin Tepe]
LiveScience ^ | October 28, 2011 | Owen Jarus

Posted on 11/07/2011 6:09:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Some 5,200 years ago, in the mountains of western Iran, people may have used takeout windows to get food and weapons, newly presented research suggests.

But rather than the greasy hamburgers and fries, it appears the inhabitants of the site ordered up goat, grain and even bullets, among other items.

The find was made at Godin Tepe, an archaeological site that was excavated in the 1960s and 1970s by a team led by T. Cuyler Young Jr., a curator at the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto, Canada, who died in 2006...

The idea that they were used as takeout windows was first proposed by Cuyler Young and is based mainly on their height and location beside the central courtyard.

The windows could have been used by ordinary individuals or perhaps by soldiers "driving through" to grab some food, or even weapons...

The research shows that Godin Tepe started out, in prehistoric times, as a simple settlement. "For about 1,000 years the mound of Godin was occupied by a small village of farmers and shepherds," said Hilary Gopnik of Emory University, at a recent symposium at the Royal Ontario Museum.

That changed quickly. "Sometime in about 3,200 B.C. somebody razed those houses and built this oval enclosure," Gopnik said. The mud-brick structure had a central courtyard surrounded by buildings, including one particularly prominent structure with two windows.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


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About 5,200 years ago, a mud-brick oval enclosure was built at Godin Tepe. The main building (pictured here) had two windows that may have been used for "takeout." [CREDIT: Courtesy Royal Ontario Museum]

Courtesy Royal Ontario Museum

1 posted on 11/07/2011 6:10:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield, good topic!

And, in a first, as I clicked the reply link to do this ping message, the system bounced me back to the topic, but one of the mods had moved it *into* the news forum from *chat*.

GGG has arrived, people! ;')

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


2 posted on 11/07/2011 6:17:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

5200 years ago? Goat and grain I might believe, but BULLETS?

The Chinese invention of gunpowder is more recent than this.


3 posted on 11/07/2011 6:18:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (ya don't tug on Superman's cape/ya don't spit into the wind--and ya don't speak well of Mitt to Jim!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Maybe they believed that alcohol, tobacco, and firearms should be a convenience store?

This was well before the advent of Islam, and Judaism was still a very private affair. Zoroastrianism maybe?


4 posted on 11/07/2011 6:21:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (ya don't tug on Superman's cape/ya don't spit into the wind--and ya don't speak well of Mitt to Jim!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Bullets as in what you threw from a sling.


5 posted on 11/07/2011 6:24:51 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: SunkenCiv

bullets??

5200 years ago??

I would tend to doubt it


6 posted on 11/07/2011 6:25:44 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Goat and grain I might believe, but BULLETS?

The bullet preceded the invention of gunpowder. Lead projectiles tossed from a sling were called bullets.

7 posted on 11/07/2011 6:27:59 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. Barbarism must always ultimately triumph.)
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To: Spktyr

:p


8 posted on 11/07/2011 6:28:54 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL
Bullets back then were sling ammo.

They were usually made from lead or fired clay. That made them more uniform and you could sling them farther and with greater accuracy.

9 posted on 11/07/2011 6:30:05 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: SunkenCiv

Conducting transactions through a window makes sense when dealing with customers of uncertain intent. The customer passes in payment, and gets his merchandise, making it harder to rob the merchant.


10 posted on 11/07/2011 6:30:38 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. Barbarism must always ultimately triumph.)
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To: GeronL
Bullets were around long before firearms, or even that item of defensive warfare called the "boulevard".

Wonder what the original language was in? Maybe Turkish, then translated to the favorite language of the lead archaeologist, then finally into something more universal like "BAD ENGRISHU"

Yup, there it is.

11 posted on 11/07/2011 6:30:43 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The Romans had artillery — no gunpowder. Bullets here means projectiles for slings and whatnot.


12 posted on 11/07/2011 6:31:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Bullets back then were sling ammo.

They were usually made from lead or fired clay. That made them more uniform and you could sling them farther and with greater accuracy.

13 posted on 11/07/2011 6:34:05 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

5200 years ago the religions were different than anything we’re familiar with. Zoroaster came along as a reformer (he’s semi-legendary, iow, he’s a real person who’s had legends attached to him) of Zervanism. The deity name Zervan probably goes back at least 5200 years. For comparison, the abandonment of Catal Huyuk took place about 5500 BC (7500 years ago); Ryan and Pitman attribute the destruction and abandonment to the Black Sea flood.


14 posted on 11/07/2011 6:38:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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OK, OK, I get the (sling hurled) point.

Apparently some of these sling-hurled bullets were inscribed with various things like “Take This” or “Catch”. I wonder if the drive-in facility had string telephones through which you could place a will-call order for custom inscription on your bullets.


15 posted on 11/07/2011 6:40:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (ya don't tug on Superman's cape/ya don't spit into the wind--and ya don't speak well of Mitt to Jim!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Not that long ago, there was a place in Willard, NM where you could get booze, cigarettes, ice, ammunition and gasoline without ever leaving your pickup.

Unfortunately, it suffered a major setback when NM banned drive-up liquor windows and then died when NM banned smoking virtually everywhere.

16 posted on 11/07/2011 6:41:23 PM PST by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: SunkenCiv

It would take someone from the Royal Mounted Museum in Ontario to think they had bullets 5000 years ago.


17 posted on 11/07/2011 6:42:31 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: SunkenCiv

I saw an ancient bullet for a sling on some TV show, maybe Discovery Channel, Maybe History Channel. Anyway the thing had an inscription on it which roughly translated to:

“Take That!” For some reason I thought it was funny.


18 posted on 11/07/2011 6:42:47 PM PST by yarddog
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To: HiTech RedNeck

We must have seen the same show.


19 posted on 11/07/2011 6:44:18 PM PST by yarddog
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To: muawiyah

I found nothing at Wiki about a type of warfare by that name. Maybe someone should add it?


20 posted on 11/07/2011 7:00:33 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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