Posted on 10/16/2011 10:41:54 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
Herman Cain holds a decisive lead in the South Carolina Republican primary, according to a survey conducted Sunday for The Augusta Chronicle.
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Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain speaks with the media after an interview on NBC's Meet the Press at NBC studio in Washington on Sunday, Oct. 16, 2011.
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The Insider-Advantage/Majority Opinion Research poll of 476 registered voters likely to vote in the GOP primary gave Cain 32 percent of the vote, twice the share of Mitt Romney’s 16 percent
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First of all, we see where using federal tax dollars to try to create jobs through tax payer revenue and big government intervention got us. It got us more in the hole and with even fewer jobs for American citizens.
Furthermore, if there is even any need for government intervention or money at all, which I'm not sure there would be, but if that would prove to be the best route, I would think most fiscal conservatives would understand local revitalization projects handled at the local level. Cities and towns know what their people need, what their town would be most helped by, and how to go about what they need to do locally.
Putting these projects, choices, and administration at the federal level means more big government intervention, more federal government bureaucracy, gives the federal government choices over local and private entities, and easily provides more opportunities for political fraud and abuse.
That dog don't bark for fiscal conservatives.
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You're going to have to reconcile these facts at some point, and we would would welcome you aboard the "Cain Train".
He's going to win this. Moving those primaries up will coincide with Herman Cain's peaking poll numbers. The GOP elite has cut their own throat here.
This is Cain's election for the taking. Perry simply isn't viable any longer. It's over, and all the money in the world won't make a difference for him.
Where do you get the information that food gets taxed? I haven’t seen that.
LOL! I think I met Ed, Eddy & Eddie, the CINO Triplets one day! :) Yes, conservatives really do need to stand up to expanded government control over localities and individuals, and we need to stand for fiscal conservatism no matter what. We can't start tolerating liberal social welfare dollars at the hands of the federal government, no matter how nicely we may come out of some "deal" ourselves.
Looks like Cain will win:
Iowa, South Carolina, and Florida.
at which point the money will start pouring in and he will sweep the south and send Romney back to Boston with his tail tucked between his legs.
Not if Perry supporters have anything to say about it.
If Perry were leading or tied with Mitt and Cain third but had more money, would you think it made any sense for Cain supporters to demand that Perry drop out so that third place Cain could “beat Romney?”
Are you really that stupid?
Not true as stated. Net price decreases due to elimination of taxes throughout the “food chain” of a product could ultimately reduce the price of products and services to such an extent it could lead to a increase in buying power. In addition to that the elimination of many of the taxes for businesses would logically lead to increase production thus increased availability and again potential price reductions. No case can be made for price increases when all facets of the plan are implemented.
I had posted another response to you about allowing local governments the opportunity to help problem urban areas in lieu of attaching big-government intervention and federal tax payer dollars to those urban problems, but I thought I would pop back here and give you a couple of examples of local intervention that has really worked in getting urban problems in check.
The State of Virginia has a Community Development Revitalization “Main Streets” program which has been absolutely successful in transforming urban areas into jeweled accomplishments.
With many different state-focused revitalization programs which give local cities the ways and means to step up their own city rebuilding, there are beautiful examples of renewed cities all throughout Virginia today.
http://www.dhcd.virginia.gov/CommunityDevelopmentRevitalization/VirginiaMainStreet.htm
I did notice Virginia did take some money offered them through the Community Development Block Grant, one small fraction of what they have done overall, but unfortunately they did take that one block grant for one small project in the general scheme of things. Other than that, the State of Virginia is one shining example of a state that has worked on and been successful with helping Virginia cities become better places to live and visit.
List of Virginia state programs and initiatives to revitalize Virginia cities and promote better living on a locally-directed level.
http://www.dhcd.virginia.gov/CommunityDevelopmentRevitalization/default.htm
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Then there is the City of Fort Worth, TX that has and still is revitalizing its inner city through local initiatives.
What was once Hell’s Half Acre where our nation lost many western gunfighters (lol), stands an absolutely BEAUTIFUL water park.
http://durangotexas.blogspot.com/2009/10/sunday-at-fort-worth-water-gardens.html
And surrounding that area is a revitalized downtown area with the likes of a magnificent Bass Hall, a booming cultural district, and an area nearby called Sundance Square which is not only a tourist attraction but filled with businesses and nice restaurants.
http://www.sheratonfortworth.com/sundance-square
Private individuals have also been working with the city to revitalize the Southside area of Fort Worth through private oversight and private funding to restore beautiful old homes and neighborhoods.
http://www.fortworthsouth.org/
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So you see, we do not need federal tax payer money and big-government intervention and oversight to help people living in urban areas. Cities and states, when needed, and private individuals and businesses, when given the freedom from government overreach to do so, can do that more than a fine job at the local level.
Adding federal government intervention only makes those local entities do exactly what the federal government says it can and can not do.
Not conservative.
“Please tell us all where you get the idea that this is a VAT ?
With a Retail SALES tax of 9%”
“Herman Cain would seem to agree—that is, the Herman Cain of less than one year ago. Here’s what he had to say less than a year ago on November 21, 2010:
The worst idea is a proposed national sales tax, which is a disguised VAT (value added tax) on top of everything we already pay in federal taxes...In every country that has established a VAT with the promise of reducing their national debt, the VAT has eventually gone up or expanded on top of the existing tax structure. After discovering many of the tax grenades in the recently passed health care deform bill, which is already driving costs up and access down, it would be real easy for an overzealous bureaucrat to insert the language in the legislation “national retail and wholesale” tax.
Herman Cain (last year’s version) is correct. A VAT would be a horrible idea for America. So why is it one-third of 9-9-9?
Read more: http://www.atr.org/herman-cain-against-vat-a6530#ixzz1b3kZsfgs";
Some of the inner cities have lost nearly, if not all their local businesses. To get new businesses to start up there may require incentives, like tax breaks. I have no problem with waiting to see what his details are.
But, you keep flailing away and panicing, you’re good it!
You call prompting people to call for fiscally conservative principles flailing away? Where were you during the deficit reduction “flailings”? Licking Harry Reid’s feet?
Well count me out on supporting liberal fiscal agendas and call that panicking and flailing if you like. I am PROUD I am a Tea Party fiscal conservative.
Without the details you are just flailing. Have a good day.
It's true -= and it'll get him votes...
Everyone is “assuming” the price of goods would go down and businesses would not hold their current pricing and roll it into profits... there is absolutely no guarantee they won’t do just that......
Your quote... But I have highlighted the parts you seemed to miss when you read it:
"The worst idea is a proposed national sales tax, which is a disguised VAT (value added tax) on top of everything we already pay in federal taxes...In every country that has established a VAT with the promise of reducing their national debt, the VAT has eventually gone up or expanded on top of the existing tax structure. After discovering many of the tax grenades in the recently passed health care deform bill, which is already driving costs up and access down, it would be real easy for an overzealous bureaucrat to insert the language in the legislation “national retail and wholesale” tax.
You seem to want to gloss over the fact that he was talking about how bad it would be to add retail (sales), and wholesale (VAT) tax on top of everything we already pay, whereas his proposal removes large portions of what we already pay (35% corporate tax vs. his proposed 9% tax) in order to add a retail sales tax, not a wholesale VAT tax.
And again, his is only a proposal -- a talking point -- it is not a Bill on the Hill, and the President, no matter who he is, can't simply enact laws like this. It will take time and vetting and approval from Congress.
Exactly.
The left isn’t attacking Romney or any other conservative.
They are going hysterical over the fact that Cain is the leading GOP candidate, despite the lack of name recognition.
How many people knew who Herman Cain was 3 years ago?
3 Month ago?
3 Weeks ago?
The attacks by the media and the left (same thing) and the lack of any criticism by the media of Janeane Garafolo and Sean Penn and others using racial slurs against Cain is an indication of things to come.
Susan Sarandon could call him a “House Ni@@er” and the MSM would be silent, as would Obama.
Right now, Cain is driving the left crazy, more so than Palin.
Like I said, the attacks on Palin will sound like compliments in comparison to the attacks on Cain that have already occurred and the more that will come.
They are blaming the “obesity epidemic” on Cain because he worked for Coca-Cola, BK, and Godfather’s Pizza, which they claim “Godfather’s” is a anti-Italian slur.
The left didn’t go into full attack mode against Palin until McCain named her as his running mate, and they didn’t attack Cain until he skyrocketed in the polls.
A lot can happen in the next year, but Cain has a long record of turning failures into successes, which is exactly what we need after Obama’s failures have put our country on the edge of economic collapse.
Who better to turn things around than a Cain?
He has a degree in Math, Physics and Computer Science.
He was the CEO of the National Restaurant Association, and also Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.
This guy knows what he speaks of, and has a demonstrable history of creating positive economic change as he knows finance, math and business.
The POTUS is basically the CEO of the US
Is there a better option than Cain to be CEO of the US?
Unlike candidates that call for 5% across the board cuts in government program spending, Cain calls for examining each government program and deciding on how much to cut, whether it be 5% or 50% or cutting the program.
That’s partially how he turned around BK and Godfather’s - analyzing the menu, then determining if an item should be cut in cost, raised in cost, or removed from the menu.
Anyone that has doubts about Cain should read this article:
Like I said, I’ll defer to the guy that worked for the Navy as a Ballistics Mathematician.
The same guy that called Obama’s economic policies “BS” but used the entire phrase, not just the acronym.
The doubters should also study the Chilean model of Social Security, which Cain also favors.
Cain has some weaknesses, such as foreign policy, but I know that he won’t fly around the world and apologize for the United States existence and bow to the likes of Hugo Chaves.
What I like about him is that he articulates nearly everything we have been saying amongst ourselves for the last several YEARS. :-)
The prices of goods would likely go down.
Remember the “Gas wars?” many years ago?
If you had two or more gas stations at one intersection, they would engage in a “Price war”, lowering the cost of a gallon of gas then that of their competitor across the street, which would then start a price war to see who could offer a gallon of gas at the lowest price possible, while making up for the lower cost in sales volume.
This example is just one of many.
That Ralph Lauren Polo shirt at Macy’s that cost $50.00 might cost $45.00 at Nordstrom’s, then Macy’s offers to match that price, plus and extra 10% off the purchase price, and so on.
Along with the lower taxes taken out of paychecks of working people, they would spend more, which would increase sales, which would increase the tax base, create more jobs, etc...
And businesses would have more money to pay their workers and to spend on R&D
Remember when Reagan cut the corporate tax rate and Detroit went from making lousy cars like the Pinto, the Gremlin and other crap, and started using the extra money to put into R&D and started making cars that were able to compete with imports?
Some of the cars coming out of the US are the best bang for your buck in terms of value and quality, and some, in performance.
The current Corvette ZR-1 is a world class sports car that outperforms cars costing 5x as much.
Let some insecure person pay an extra 300k for a car with similar performance just because it has a dancing pony emblem on the hood. (Ferrari) while the wise buyer buys a US made car at 1/4th the price while outperforming the car costing much more money from Italy.
That money stays in the US and doesn’t get sent to Europe to boost their economy, not ours.
Nearly every person in the US would benefit, not just conservatives, but also dems, indy’s and people on SS or a fixed income.
No plan would benefit 100% of the population, but the 9-9-9 plan, along with the Chilean Social Security model would benefit most of the people in the US and I have yet to hear any other candidate come up with anything that will turn our country around and clean up the mess left by the Dems and Obama.
The US would once again be a economic power, the dollar would be stronger, and most of the US would prosper if they chose to do so.
There will always be people that will be adverse to working and other than cutting benefits for them completely, you can’t force them to work, especially if they don’t have any skills.
Like I said, no plan is perfect, but Cain’s plan is the closest I’ve seen that would turn things around and wouldn’t cost taxpayers Trillions of dollars in bogus “stimulus” programs that are nothing more than repayment to campaign donors.
That’s another positive about Cain’s 9-9-9 plan - it doesn’t favor unions and government workers and everyone pays the same percentage and nearly everyone will benefit.
And the 47% that don’t pay federal taxes will now do so, while taking the “race card” out of the hands of the left and the media and tearing it up and rendering it useless, once and for all.
Same with the “class warfare” card.
The more I study and read about Cain and his economic proposals, the more I like him as POTUS.
Right now, we need to do something different than continuing to borrow money to sustain our country, not to mention spending $4.00 for a gallon of gas, which much of the cost going to countries that aren’t exactly our allies.
Cain is in favor of domestic exploration and extraction of Natural Gas and Oil, something the Dems are not.
It’s time for real “Change” and not just talk.
Cain will fundamentally change the US for the good and not run the economy into the ground like Obama has.
And it just may take something as “radical” as 9-9-9 and the Chilean SS model to do so.
Or we can keep electing the same type of politicians that will continue to do the same thing we’ve been doing for years and failing and going broke.
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