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Cain leads South Carolina Republican primary race
The Augusta Chronicle ^ | 10/17/11 | Walter C. Jones

Posted on 10/16/2011 10:41:54 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009

Herman Cain holds a decisive lead in the South Carolina Republican primary, according to a survey conducted Sunday for The Augusta Chronicle.

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Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain speaks with the media after an interview on NBC's Meet the Press at NBC studio in Washington on Sunday, Oct. 16, 2011.

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The Insider-Advantage/Majority Opinion Research poll of 476 registered voters likely to vote in the GOP primary gave Cain 32 percent of the vote, twice the share of Mitt Romney’s 16 percent

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To: Fred

Haley Barbiur is right, I think Herman will sweep the South.

South Carolinians elected Nikki Haley and Tim Scott, I have no doubt in my mind that Herman will do well in that state.


201 posted on 10/17/2011 5:00:34 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Marie
Cain’s “empowerment zones” conservative?

He continues his commentary: "But these policies must be coupled with sound money. A dollar must be worth the same tomorrow as it is today. Stabilizing the dollar's value starts with the federal government taking significant measures to rein in its spending and pay down the national debt. Americans must be assured that the federal government will live within its means and get serious about eliminating our crippling debt. Repealing ObamaCare, Sarbanes-Oxley and the Dodd-Frank bank-regulation bill would be critical steps."

More commentary from Mr. Cain, about his plan: "Finally, my plan promotes enterprise zones, also known as 'empowerment zones.' Coupled with tax reform and monetary stabilization, empowerment zones would revitalize inner cities by providing tax credits to businesses that hire workers living and working in underprivileged areas. Some of the most tragic unemployment numbers can be found in minority communities and in urban centers around the country. Empowerment zones would create a whole new generation of wage-earners providing for their families. The late Jack Kemp, a secretary of the department of Housing and Urban Development and a dear friend, was one of the first lawmakers to propose empowerment zones. He understood the tremendous economic benefits they would provide." (source bookerrising)

These empowerment zones are areas where welfare and unemployment are the highest. I would think that bringing, business/jobs back to those areas would be a good thing. People of all colors live in these areas, they are not only black neighborhoods.

He wants to empower people to be self sufficient.

I removed the barriers rather than let barriers remove me
In 1967, I wanted to get a haircut, and I did not know any of the barbershops. I sat there for about thirty minutes while everybody was told "next" except for me. I finally asked one of the barbers. He told me they were not allowed to cut black people's hair. If I had not asked, I might still be sitting there. I chose to remove the barriers rather than allow the barriers to remove me. I left the barbershop that day and bought a set of hair clippers to cut my own hair. I have been cutting it ever since. The barrier called "lack of master's degree" took a lot longer to remove. I was able to go back to graduate school. I attended Purdue.
Source: CEO of SELF, by Herman Cain, p. 14-15 , Aug 1, 2001

Safety net has become dependency on the government
Big government enthusiasts designed social programs to provide a financial safety net, but, in turn, dependency on the government for the most vulnerable in society became an expected entitlement. Decades since their inception, far too many Americans have shifted their expectations from government assistance to entitlement. Too many people have exchanged their freedom for a false sense of security that these programs are supposed to provide.

Ever-expanding social programs are compromising the current and future financial stability of this great country.ÿThe federal government has imposed expensive and often counter-productive social and welfare programs on the states and the people. It is time to admit the mistakes, and get the federal government out of the way. This will allow states, cities, churches, charities and businesses to offer a helping hand instead of a handout where they live. People closest to the problems are the best ones to solve the problems effectively.
Source: Campaign website, www.hermancain.com/ "Issues" , May 21, 2011

Help poor by helping everybody; not by hurting rich Abraham Lincoln said, "You don't help the poor by hurting the rich." I might add that you help the poor by helping everybody. I believe that the 3 great divides--the party divide, the racial divide, & the economic divide--polarize our nation. The liberal political ideology seeks to enact policies that divide us and attempts to control all aspects of society. Liberal politicians seek to herd the public into groups and pit those groups against each other, as if as citizens we do not all share the dream of educational and economic success. Liberal politicians do not share your dreams of success because your success and the success of your children and grandchildren spell the end to their reign of power over your life.

Many citizens have come to believe that as Americans they do not have to shoulder the responsibilities of individual achievement and participation in the political arena. For too many years, liberals have usurped our individual responsibilities and made our most important decisions for us
Source: They Think You're Stupid, by Herman Cain, p. 51 , Jun 14, 2005


202 posted on 10/17/2011 5:06:20 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Wolfstar

As long as it doesn’t involving flying all over the world bowing to everyone and mucking it up with every tin pot America hater, it couldn’t be any worse than what we got currently :)


203 posted on 10/17/2011 5:08:48 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield; kingattax

Excellent post, my FRiend.

The attacks on Palin from the left were evil and inexcusable. As a politically active, hard-working, self-employed, conservative WOMAN, I took a lot of it personally.

Now they are doing the same thing to Mr. Cain, only it will probably get even worse. It is particularly egregious sincve they are going to attack him for his race, after playing the race card against conservatives for the last several years! So hypocritical!

As conservatives, we should rally behind the one person who can beat Romney and then go on to beat the Lyin’ King.

The Debates, Straw Polls, and other indications have shown that the person who can do that is Mr. Cain. We need to put aside our disappointment over Sarah, Our infatuation with Michelle, Our staunch loyalty to Perry, and our theories of “who’s colluding with who”, and focus our energies on supporting the person closest to the top that most clearly embraces most of our conservative ideals.

A very GOOD indication of who is best for us is the one the Liberal Liars attack the MOST. Do they know something that we don’t? :-)


204 posted on 10/17/2011 5:23:08 AM PDT by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: casinva

I see you are really down on “empowerment zones” and to a certain degree of what they had been I would agree. But with that said, we have not seen the details of his version.

So many arguments against his plans make the same fatal flaw as do politicians who use baseline budgeting. Existing government has proven not to work anywhere except in some DC cocktail party. Herman Cain knows this and with every other plan he has offered, is based on true market economics and not some ponzi scheme out of DC.

Lets admit that we are all guilty of voting in politicians who have gamed us and have really screwed up the inner cities all across our land. Maybe just a small payback for our indiscretions of party line politician voting, we give a hand up to get those areas working again and make damn well sure it is not a hand out that never stops giving. How many companies with the wherewitall to invest in inner city startups who would get a deal for their courage to go into the belly of the beast to at least get rid of the delapidated blocks of old buildings and build something new where these folks would see a different world along with a job and responsibilities of their own, for the very first time in their lives?

So why not just go straight to the horses mouth and ask that he begin to give the details of what he envisions empowerment zones to be and not make the leap that he will make it what the politicians have screwed up like every other initial good sounding plan of theirs has done?

I’d say it is far better than setting here projecting what is perceived and finding out what it is we really have to deal with and in such have a positive impact on altering that plan to a viewpoint that the candidate had not seen. Any good businessman never thinks he knows everything and is always looking for fresh ideas to capitalize on. Remember, leadership is the antithesis of one who is a pied piper.


205 posted on 10/17/2011 5:25:01 AM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I think the Romney “dominionists” of the GOP are desparately flailing. I think a Cain/Perry ticket might be a decent way to go.


206 posted on 10/17/2011 5:26:55 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make mankind into God but to put God into men!)
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To: Wolfstar

Hi Wolfstar. He seems to adopt Reagan’s Peace through Strength.

If you mess with Israel, you’re messing with the US
Q: What do you think about the Palestinian Authority bringing their bid for statehood to the United Nations?

CAIN: It starts with an extension of the Reagan philosophy of peace through strength. My philosophy would extend that to peace through strength and clarity. This administration has not made it clear how it stands with Israel. When I was in Israel last month, the deputy prime minister made it shockingly, chillingly clear that, given everything that’s going on, that Israel will defend itself. I would also make it clear to all of the other people in the world, that if you mess with Israel, you’re messing with the United States of America. We will stand solidly behind Israel. If in fact it was clear to the Palestinians, where the US stood, they might have had second thoughts about trying to pull such a move without negotiating with Israel.
Source: 2011 GOP Google debate in Orlando FL , Sep 22, 2011

Foreign policy should include bombs & bullets AND economics
Q: You said in June, “The way you stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon is for us to get serious about a real energy-independent strategy.” Do you really think that more domestic oil production in this country is going to convince the mullahs in Tehran not to pursue a nuclear weapon?

A: I believe that our energy strategy is directly related to national security, as well as stopping Iran in their efforts. The head of Iran has said that he wants to wipe Israel off of the face of the Earth. I take that seriously. That being said, there’s more to foreign policy than bombs and bullets. There’s bombs and bullets and economics. If we maximize all of our energy resources in this country, we can become a player on the world market. As the price o oil goes down, it puts an economic squeeze on Iran. This is why I believe we should have a serious energy-independent strategy. That’s what I meant by using our energy resources, not just oil, but all of our resources to become energy independent.
Source: Iowa Straw Poll 2011 GOP debate in Ames Iowa , Aug 11, 2011

US intervention in Libya is inappropriate and wrong
Q: Would any of you have gone into Libya?

Cain: I’ve said many times before that US intervention in Libya is inappropriate and wrong. The US does not belong in this war.

Gingrich: Not with conventional forces.

Cain: Pres. Obama did not make it clear what our mission was in Libya, what the American interests were or what victory looks like. We cannot risk our treasury or national treasures (brave men & women in uniform) without knowing those answers.
Source: 2011 Republican primary debate on Twitter.com , Jul 21, 2011

Diplomacy must never compromise military might
While diplomacy is a critical tool in solving the complex security issues we face, it must never compromise military might. Because we are such a free and prosperous people, we are the envy of the world. Many regimes seek to destroy us because they are threatened by our ideals, and they resent our prosperity. We must acknowledge the real and present danger that terrorist nations and organizations pose to our country’s future. Terrorists only have one objective, namely, to kill all of us.
Source: Campaign website, www.hermancain.com/ “Issues” , May 21, 2011

What is mission & exit plan in Afghanistan?
When asked about what I would do about our involvement in the war in Afghanistan during the debate, I answered by asking the questions that should have been asked before we got involved many years ago. What is our mission? How does it serve our interest? Is there a path to victory? If not, then what is our exit strategy?

There is obviously a lot of classified information to which I do not have access. There are dozens of experts and military leaders I would need advice from before I could make an informed decision about a real clear plan for the USA’s involvement in Afghanistan. Similarly, a real clear strategy for every country with which we have relationships would be developed, regardless of whether or not we are involved in a military conflict.

I want to be out of Afghanistan and all war-torn countries as much as the next person. But I am not going to propose a half-baked plan based on half the information I would need to make the right decision, just to pretend I know everything.
Source: Herman Cain’s column in North Star National , May 15, 2011

No clear strategy in either Libya or Syria
Q: Pres. Obama justified his intervention in Libya saying he “refused to wait for the images of slaughter and mass graves before taking action.” Yet in Syria, the President has not acted despite reports of hundreds of protestors killed. Which action was right?

A: Neither, for the following reason. We should start with: What’s the objective? Second: How does it relate to the interests of the USA? Third: is there a plan for victory, and how do we you define that? In both of those instances, those things are not clear. We need a real, clear national security strategy with every nation, friend or foe. We obviously didn’t have that because you can see in those two examples, inconsistencies in the President’s decisions and in his actions. Even in Libya, whe the civil strife first started, he was supporting the [rebel] leader. Then he changed; so that meant that we didn’t have a clear strategy or a very clear definition what we were going to do if the situation escalated, which is exactly what it has done.
Source: 2011 GOP primary debate in South Carolina , May 5, 2011

Undeniable connection between Iraq and War on Terror
Pres. Bush’s campaign was clearly able to frame the election as a referendum on his leadership in winning the war on terrorism. What is perhaps most telling about the data in the table below is that, when given the opportunity, voters viewed the war on terrorism and US military action against terrorists in Iraq as two separate issues. Voters were clearly more supportive of Pres. Bush’s overall handling of the war on terrorism than on the status of the war in Iraq.

2004 Voters’ Most

Important Issue

% of voters Voted for Bush Voted for Kerry

Iraq 15% 26% 73%
Terrorism 19% 86% 14%

The disconnect in the voters’ minds between the war on terrorism and the war in Iraq demonstrate the the Bush administration and Republican congressional leaders have done a poor job in communicating to the electorate the undeniable connections between these issues.
Source: They Think You’re Stupid, by Herman Cain, p. 99-100 , Jun 14, 2005


207 posted on 10/17/2011 5:26:59 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: TheConservator

“There is NO WAY Perry is winning the nomination. He has shot himself in the foot one too many times.

Sorry, but that’s reality.

This has boiled down to a Romney Cain race. The faster the other conservative candidates realize this and gang up behind Cain, the better the chance it won’t be Romney.”

Yea, the interesting thing to watch for is whether these Perry supporters actually get behind Cain, when they pull Perry’s feeding tube out, or do they simply disappear from FR, not to be seen again.


208 posted on 10/17/2011 5:30:11 AM PDT by BobL (A vote for Perry is a vote for Romney)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield; Wolfstar

Hang on there. I haven’t seen Wolfstar on many Cain threads at all. Sometimes a question is just that, a genuine question.


209 posted on 10/17/2011 5:31:11 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: mdmathis6

Cain has already ruled out Perry, and besides Perry is not toxic.

I would rather see Cain / Palin personally, but Palin may be too damaged.

Which would leave me hoping for Cain/Demint


210 posted on 10/17/2011 5:32:25 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Marie
You tried!
211 posted on 10/17/2011 5:46:59 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: mazda77; Clarity; All
(OK, no answer? Lets try it this way. You come into a thread, leave your droppings all over the place and then scatter when the light is turned on.)

Question is what will it mean and I maintain that it splits the anti-Romney vote, making way for Romney.

And we can always count on your totally subjective analysis, now can we not? LOL

You didn't respond to my contention on other threads that you are a Democrap mole bent on doing exactly what you project on any Cain supporter; Divide and conquer through Alinski tactics.

Sorry Pal, your gig is up her on FR because one note songs just don't make good music.

212 posted on 10/17/2011 5:52:56 AM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: Marie

Marie, Marie, Marie

Some people would rather give free education and healthcare to illegals rather than ‘empower’ citizens to get off the government programs and become self sufficient.


213 posted on 10/17/2011 5:57:12 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: BenKenobi

or obtuse! lol


214 posted on 10/17/2011 5:59:24 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: mdmathis6

I won’t vote for Perry in any way shape or form. That would be a good way for Cain to lose my vote.


215 posted on 10/17/2011 6:04:22 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Beat Romney with a Cain!


216 posted on 10/17/2011 6:24:52 AM PDT by erod (Unlike the President I am a true Chicagoan.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

This was just removed from breaking news along with another new poll showing Cain beating Romney in Iowa by 11

no idea why.


217 posted on 10/17/2011 6:39:45 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Fred

The other day, I entered 0 income tax withholding, a median income of 49,000 and the “average” 2 dependents in the H&R tax calculator and came up with a $100 refund.

We’re really becoming a nation of taxeds and not-taxeds.

That being said, Cain needs to back off 999 a bit for the sake of getting votes of the 47% or so who don’t pay income taxes (and probably get a good amount of SS & Medicaid taxes back). There are lots of other reasons to like him; no one’s voting for him specifically because of 999.


218 posted on 10/17/2011 6:50:46 AM PDT by Cruising For Freedom
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To: Netizen

lol! Thank you! I needed the smile! :)


219 posted on 10/17/2011 7:17:57 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: casinva; Clairity
yhea....Ed, Eddy & Eddie (the CINO Triplets) are having; a grand time, dismantling / destroying the ideas of American Republic....

220 posted on 10/17/2011 7:25:02 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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