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Raisin' [a Few Issues for the Purpose of Honestly Vetting Herman] Cain!
The American Thinker ^ | October 16, 2011 | Joseph Ashby

Posted on 10/16/2011 2:32:45 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

"I'm the only problem-solver in the group," Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain told Mike Huckabee in an August Fox News appearance. Well, many candidates bill themselves as problem-solvers. In fact, if we asked any candidate running for any office in the entire country, practically every one would likely define him- or herself as able to solve problems. Yet we know that politicians, as a rule, create and worsen problems rather than fix them.

.....Overconfidence turns the hopeful campaign pronouncements of otherwise successful people into dismal policy. In the end, Americans usually end up with more laws, less freedom, and no money.

The question is what type of problem-solver Cain will be as president......

Examining Herman Cain's record leaves serious questions about which type of problem-solver he is. In a column published October 20, 2008, Cain blamed conservatives' "economic illiteracy" for their opposition to the freshly passed Trouble Assets Relief Program.

"Wake up people!" admonished Cain with typical candor. "Owning a part of the major banks in America is not a bad thing. We could make a profit while solving a problem." Cain goes on to defend Treasury's decision to post-legislatively change TARP to buy preferred stock in banks rather than toxic mortgages. "You got a problem with that?" asks Cain. Apparently he didn't.

Cain reassures "free market purists" that the Treasury's stock purchase is "not nationalization because that would require government to own at least 51% of the entity for an indefinite period of time." (This is a relief, because some of us thought that government would use this foot in the door to force mergers, control salaries, and set lending rules. Oh, wait...)...

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: economy; freemarket; gopprimary; nationalbooktour; vetting
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To: Irenic
I’m more a flat tax kinda gal.....

I fought that battle years ago here on FR for Steve Forbes -- I still believe a postcard sized income tax return can work -- but as we are seeing now, the devil is in the details. This conversation is all well and good but the ship must righted first. Americans must have jobs and become a powerful working engine.

221 posted on 10/16/2011 7:30:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: driftdiver
"So you’re endorsing the current tax code?"

It is simple. Lower the tax rate and increase the amount of tax payers by creating jobs! The energy sector, PERRY's FORTE, is ONE HECK of a way of doing that as it is down to nothing right now thanks to ZERO. This gimmicky 999 thing with a NEW national tax is not going to cut it. It includes empowerment zones and such which he does not do well at talking about either.

222 posted on 10/16/2011 7:31:33 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: Lakeshark

Sure because calling someone names like imbecile and ken doll make someone look good? (insert rolling eyes here)


223 posted on 10/16/2011 7:33:44 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: lahargis

Yup, gotta love those ghetto tax breaks. That should have all the conservative ghetto dwellers jumping on board the ‘Cain train’.


224 posted on 10/16/2011 7:36:45 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Lakeshark
  1. Cain wants to add a new tax to the american people.
  2. Cain wants to use empowerment zones as a new entitlement.
  3. Cain is ABC American First Black Second and Conservative Third.

    Three red flags if you ask me.

225 posted on 10/16/2011 7:37:16 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: palmer
Transcript of Rick Perry's Jobs Speech

Perry only gave highlights of his jobs plan. Here are the deals of that plan in his speech.

Thorough details on Rick Perry's Job Plan

226 posted on 10/16/2011 7:37:53 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: lahargis
The man has proved it with every debate, the name sticks because he is all hat, no cattle.

Go ahead, show us otherwise. Everyone but the PerryKrishnas know it's true. The man is a disaster if he's unscripted.

227 posted on 10/16/2011 7:39:08 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: shield

Gov. Perry is the energy President for sure. I hope he pushes that to the fullest. I hope he changes every single conversation, every question into a push for his energy plan.


228 posted on 10/16/2011 7:40:58 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: Lakeshark

I stand by my post.


229 posted on 10/16/2011 7:41:52 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: lahargis
Untrue.

1. Cain wants to change the tax basis to one that will stimulate the economy in a better way than the present.
2. Cain only wants an economy that is free and thriving for everyone who cares to participate.
3. Cain is a fine conservative, happens to have dark colored skin, and is red, white and blue on the inside (his words).

230 posted on 10/16/2011 7:45:37 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: lahargis
Perry is the president for the amnesty for illegals/LaRaza lobby.

Lots of energy there.........

231 posted on 10/16/2011 7:47:12 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark

Gov. Perry does not support amnesty. Sorry, nice try.


232 posted on 10/16/2011 7:49:05 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: mylife

“I dont like a lot of mumbo jumbo,”

And you don’t think the current tax code is a bunch of ‘mumbo jumbo’??? In other words, I’m old, set in my ways and don’t want ‘mylife’ changed, even if it is an improvement over the old??? Sure sounds that way...


233 posted on 10/16/2011 7:52:53 AM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: lahargis
His record and pronouncements show that he does. He panders to the open borders lobby all the time, and they support him well.

Only the PerryKrishnas somehow believe he doesn't.

I guess I'm just heartless........

234 posted on 10/16/2011 7:54:57 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: lahargis

Sure because calling someone names like imbecile and ken doll make someone look good? (insert rolling eyes here)
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I do wonder about the ‘ken doll’ ‘good looking jock’ type comments I’ve noticed some posts.

I don’t have a problem with it, I just find it kinda funny because that usually only happens to the females.

I also wonder about the Ron Paul person putting out an advertisement wanting dirt on a Perry’s possible sex life—Larry Flynt has done it, too.

It seems mostly fellas doing this...guys seem to be more focused on Perry’s looks than the females—odd. Oh well.


235 posted on 10/16/2011 7:57:34 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: Lakeshark
OK, heartless (your words not mine), read this please: wherein he states "The federal DREAM Act is an amnesty bill, and I strongly oppose amnesty. The Texas educational residency bill was vastly different"
236 posted on 10/16/2011 7:58:41 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: Dusty Road; Cincinatus' Wife
“The role of government, in my view, is to maintain an equal balanced playing field for the citizens and for our society. Not to throw it out of balance.” — Herman Cain, John Stossel Fox Show, July 12, 2011

I’m curious, what do you think Mr Cain meant by that comment?

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Cain to reduce or eliminate the 9% national sales tax burden for low income families.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/path-to-the-nomination-when-does-cain-face-the-heat/2011/03/29/gIQA2uvQbL_blog.html

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Lowrie says it’s just “Washington thinking” to look at whether modest-income Americans will wind up shouldering much more of the tax burden. He repeatedly refused to say how much more of the tax burden would be borne by the poor and middle class than under the current system. But he implicitly acknowledged the problem by saying that the campaign would “fix this” with a new empowerment-zone plan that would be laid on top of the 9-9-9 plan and would presumably lower taxes in inner cities. But how fair is that to people living elsewhere? And aren’t we back to more complexity?
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Cain's 999 plan to give tax credit to low income families to offset any national sales tax they may have to pay.

http://www.newsy.com/videos/analysis-will-cain-s-9-9-9-plan-work-is-it-fair/">http://www.newsy.com/videos/analysis-will-cain-s-9-9-9-plan-work-is-it-fair/">http://www.newsy.com/videos/analysis-will-cain-s-9-9-9-plan-work-is-it-fair/

Analysis: Will Cain's 9-9-9 plan work? Is it fair?
October 13, 2011
Excerpt:
But a Wall Street Journal reporter rather bullish on the plan says that’s not the whole story -- that Cain’s plan would take steps to avoid putting too much burden on the lower income.

“Herman’s plan has a hold harmless provision for low-income people. It’s kind of a tax credit to keep people below the poverty line from really being hit by these taxes. And yet, Herman himself is not talking about this at all. It may just not be a popular product for primary voters.”

In fact, Cain’s campaign website cryptically addresses this issue -- without much detail. But he clarified a bit in the Wall Street Journal.

“My plan promotes enterprise zones, also known as ‘empowerment zones.’ Coupled with tax reform and monetary stabilization, empowerment zones would revitalize inner cities by providing tax credits to businesses that hire workers living and working in underprivileged areas.”

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The 999 plan to promote expanded federal empowerment zones (aka enterprise zones) to provide federally-chosen and federally-run services and entitlements to families living in low income minority neighborhoods".

http://detnews.com/article/20110930/MIVIEW/109300301/Call-999-CAIN-to-rescue-Detroit

Call 999-CAIN to rescue Detroit
September 30, 2011
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Cain also believes the 9-9-9 plan can be used as the basis for an idea he hopes will spur urban renewal. (Seriously . . . a Republican talking about urban issues. Take a second to wait for the room to stop spinning.) In a few weeks, Cain plans to unveil a concept for urban empowerment zones in which the 9s would be replaced by lower numbers. He is not ready to commit to 8-8-8, 7-7-7 or anything else specific because he's still got his tax policy advisors running the numbers to see what would work. But he is convinced the idea can help bring about economic revival in the areas that most desperately need it.
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Meet Herman Cain's "Enterprise and Empowerment Zones" - Your new 9% national sales tax at work

http://www.mitchellmoss.com/articles/power.html

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During the 1980s, liberals latched onto the enterprise zone concept. They discovered that it offered a way to channel money into impoverished urban communities, subverting the rationale for the enterprise zone by expanding, rather than reducing, government involvement.

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Congressman Charles Rangel of Harlem, then the third-ranking Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee, was largely responsible for inserting the empowerment zone proposal into the 1993 act, which combined tax hikes for the rich with tax credits for the working poor. Before that. President Clinton had given up on any large-scale public investment program, after failing to pass an economic stimulus package that would have channeled federal money into communities acre's the country

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The Harlem portion of the plan (empowerment zones) is a remarkable mix of programs to serve local needs for day care, education, social services, and health care, combined with a few large-scale physical development projects, like a new CUNY community college at the Washburn Wire Factory, that will not create private-sector jobs or attract private investment. For example, the proposal envisions a computerized drug referral system, security improvements in public housing, child-care program upgrades, "family preservation, development, and intergenerational programs," a community health center, and a cadre of community empowerment zone organizers to assist residents in gaining access to empowerment zone - and other government - programs. The proposal also envisions a "Medicaid Entitlement Zone" that seeks to make every resident of the zone eligible for Medicaid. The proposal earmarks 23 percent of the federal empowerment zone funds for children and youth programs, 12 percent for health and substance-abuse programs, 6 percent for other social services, and 17 percent for local administration of the program - 58 percent of the total.
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Now can you see what "creating an equal playing field" means?

237 posted on 10/16/2011 8:02:15 AM PDT by casinva (Fiscal conservatives should refuse a new national tax for more federally-picked winners & losers)
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To: mylife

Why would anyone want to stay with the VAT tax we have today?


238 posted on 10/16/2011 8:02:24 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Lakeshark

Isn’t it a shame too that Cain really only has a business record and no government experience which is different. Some see this as a plus, but I beg to differ as evidenced by you just now using it to state a lie against Gov. Perry. No one brings up Cain’s Enron-like Aquila lawsuit which he was on the board of I guess because of a certain blogger that researched it. But who knows, one day, Cain will not get the kid-glove treatment, we will see more than his good record.


239 posted on 10/16/2011 8:03:31 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Everybody and their uncle and aunt knows Cain has turned on TARP like a hot potato. To fail to mention this is to lie by omission.

Better hindsight than foresight?

240 posted on 10/16/2011 8:06:57 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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