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Imagine There's No God.....Only Evolution
Renew America ^ | Sept. 13, 2011 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 10/03/2011 5:29:32 AM PDT by spirited irish

Karl Popper (1902-1994) was a British philosopher and a professor at the London School of Economics. Because he is regarded as one of the greatest philosophers of science of the 20th century, what Popper had to say about Darwinism is of utmost importance to the desperate political struggle fought between creationists and methodological and ontological naturalists. This is because the America of the Founding generation is firmly grounded in the Genesis account of creation, Old and New Testament morality and Christian theism, yet the original meaning and intent of U.S. law — as now controlled and defined by anti-God naturalism — has been radically changed so that it now reflects the doctrinal decrees of imperialist atheist evolutionary naturalism.

Whereas the Founding generation esteemed the Bible and used it to teach their children to read, comprehend and think logically as well as to properly train them in morality and self-discipline, in contemporary America, God, Bible, and moral absolutes have been banned in favor of evolutionary science, atheism, moral relativism, and self-gratification. The still-unfolding consequences of all of this are destructive and terrible, adversely affecting every level of society from the individual to the family, community, and cultural institutions to local and national politics.

In post-Christian America atheist evolutionism is taken for granted throughout the college curriculum, just as it is in all aspects of modern thought and experience, especially within the progressive liberal community. Evolution not only undergirds biological and earth sciences, but also Freudian and Jungian psychology, anthropology, law, sociology, politics, economics, the media, arts, medicine, and all other academic disciplines as well.

Evolution-believers range from atheists and scientists to esoteric Free Masonry, Hollywood insiders, occult New Age spiritists, Satanists, powerful Transnational Progressives, and large numbers of people who call themselves Christian. Among this last group are Liberal Christians, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Emergent Church leaders Brian McLaren and Rob Bell, growing numbers of the Evangelical contemporary Church, and an increasingly vocal community of Christian scholars and scientists such as Dennis Venema. Venema is a senior fellow at BioLogos Foundation, a Christian group that tries to reconcile the Bible with evolutionary science, and as a consequence teach that humans emerged from apes.

Evolutionary naturalism is poisoning and destroying America's traditional foundations, and when the foundations have finally been destroyed, all that is built upon them will be destroyed as well.

Americans have been deceived, and are needful of learning the truth about Darwinism — and all other evolutionary theories, by whatever name they are called.

Evolutionism: Spiritual...not Empirical

Though Popper esteemed evolutionary theory and natural selection, he also forthrightly stated that Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory but rather a metaphysical research program. By this he means that not only is Darwinism metaphysical (spiritual), but so are its' two most important foundations, classical empiricism and the observationalist philosophy of science that grew out of it.

Empiricism is a theory of knowledge that contradicts itself by asserting that human knowledge comes only or primarily via sensory experience rather than the mind while observationalism asserts that human knowledge and theories must be based on empirical observations....instead of the mind. For this reason, Popper argued strongly against empiricism and observationalism, saying that scientific theories and human knowledge generally, is conjectural or hypothetical and is generated by the creative imagination.

In other words, all three theories originated in the mind, a power of which is imagination. As mind is a power of soul, then Darwinism, empiricism, and observationalism are spiritual. In short, all three theories are frauds. They claim to be what they are not in order to obtain an advantage over the Genesis account of creation by imposition of immoral means.

In Noah Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language, 1828, soul and imagination are respectively defined as:

1. Soul: "The spiritual, rational and immortal substance in man, which distinguishes him from brutes; that part of man which enables him to think and reason."

The Founding generation knew that mind is a power of soul, and imagination the power by which mind conceives:

2. Imagination: "...the power or faculty of the mind by which it conceives and forms ideas of things communicated to it by the senses....The business of conception (and the) power of modifying our conceptions, by combining the parts of different ones so as to form new wholes of our own creation...(imagination) selects the parts of different conceptions, or objects of memory, to form a whole more pleasing, more terrible, or more awful, than has ever been presented in the ordinary course of nature."

In conclusion, evolutionism is an invention of imagination, an invention more terrible and more destructive than has ever been presented in the ordinary course of nature. It imagines that God is dead, that life somehow emerged out of nonlife, that man is not created in the spiritual image of God the Father but is rather a soulless, mindless ex-ape of evolution. It imagines there is no sin, no "hell below us, and above us only sky."

Evolutionism is an invention of imagination, and it has taken the post-Christian West by storm.

copyright 2011 Linda Kimball


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: atheism; darwinism; evolutionism; gagdadbob; god; moralabsolutes; onecosmosblog; scientism
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To: MrB

Then science would be wrong. In spite of the *preponderance of evidence*

Imagine that.


121 posted on 10/03/2011 9:35:13 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: DManA

You are bearing false witness. You posted half of my sentence to support your false statement.”

Spirited: Perhaps it slipped your mind that your original post is available?

post # 25: God speaks to us through the Bible and through His natural world. If the literal interpretation of Genesis is true then He is lying to us through his World.

So there it is, and with your accusation for all to read. An accusation you have so far refused to justify.


122 posted on 10/03/2011 9:39:42 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish; DManA

Yup, that’s the post where DManA accused God of lying.


123 posted on 10/03/2011 9:40:31 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

You cheerfully bear false witness also.


124 posted on 10/03/2011 9:43:02 AM PDT by DManA
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To: MrB
And what is your familiarity with the “other side” of this controversy?

Abject ignorance and inane misconceptions is all I usually see from the creationist side - like the idea that evolution will produce an “uber man” or the historic ignorance that Communism embraced Darwinian evolution rather than rejecting it as being too capitalistic.

I am sure you may actually be obtuse enough to believe that biologists, geologists, paleontologists (etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum) - only believe what they believe because they have been “brainwashed”. That just shows how little you understand about science and the scientific method.

I don't accept the theory of Darwin because I have been “brainwashed”, I accept it because it is a useful model that helps to explain and predict facts.

Science is useful in explaining and predicting the natural world.

Creationism is useless.

125 posted on 10/03/2011 9:43:40 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: metmom; spirited irish; DManA

Hmmm.. I read it as a defense of the Word... of course, I thought he meant “Word” when he typed “World”, because of the capital letter.

I read it as “if you read Genesis literally, AND use man’s interpretation of the ‘world’, then you must conclude God is lying in His Word”.

Obviously, you have to conclude that either God’s Word is wrong, or Man’s interpretation of general revelation is wrong. They are not compatible, I believe, on purpose.


126 posted on 10/03/2011 9:44:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: allmendream; metmom

“Evolution is in fact a scientific theory that no more removes God as the creator of life than the theory of star formation through gravity and nuclear fusion removes God as the creator of stars.”

Spirited: Evolutionary theory is an invention of imagination. And so is your addendum, that is, you imagine that it does not remove God.


127 posted on 10/03/2011 9:44:29 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: allmendream

Doubling down on the condescension I see.

“It’s all you have”, I suppose. Like I said. DISMISSED.


128 posted on 10/03/2011 9:45:08 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: spirited irish

I have made crystal clear by all my posts that I believe that it is the literal interpretation of Genesis that is false, not that God lies. That completely justifies my accusation.


129 posted on 10/03/2011 9:46:10 AM PDT by DManA
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To: spirited irish

So does the theory of star formation through nuclear fusion and gravity similarly remove God as the creator of Stars?

Are you frightened of the question?

Why the total inability to reconcile the two?


130 posted on 10/03/2011 9:46:46 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: spirited irish
If Adam and Eve descended from apes, and apes fron other life-forms and so on over vast stretches of time, then God is a God of death not life and men need saving from God.

Not only that, but according to evolution, humans are just a link in the evolutionary chain. What will be the next species to evolve from homo sapeins? A completely new species with a much higher intelligence, maybe having wings, or the ability to survive in the ocean? This could put the homo sapiens on the same level as monkeys are to human beings today. This utterly destroys the idea that evolution is in any way, consistent with the Bible. In fact, it is completely contrary to Holy Scripture. Do away with the Bible and you do away with God. Darwinism has become an agenda, overshadowing its objective as a scientific theory. A theory with many problems, at that.

131 posted on 10/03/2011 9:47:42 AM PDT by mtg
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To: MrB
Let me guess - you figured out the “tea” and “no tea” test of intellect in Hitchhikers’ Guide.

No, actually I read about the "simplification technique" from the Psycological Operations Field Manual (No.33-1), and about fallacies of false dilemma, which this simplification appears to be based on.

I'm assuming knowing those will help you figure out the test?

132 posted on 10/03/2011 9:48:47 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: DManA

On what concept of hermeneutics do you say that the “literal”, ie, natural reading, interpretation of Genesis is incorrect?
Certain books of the Bible are written in poetic, apocolyptic, or allegorical form, but, as determined by Hebrew language experts, Genesis is not one of them.

Perhaps you’re still using an extra-biblical standard to determine what is “true” and what must be “allegory” in order to fit that standard?

You’re putting man’s standard above the bible, and you need to understand that you’re doing so.


133 posted on 10/03/2011 9:50:26 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: DManA; metmom

DmanA to metmom: You cheerfully bear false witness also.

Spirited: Let’s see. God is a liar. Spirited is a liar. Now metmom is a liar.

Scapegoating is when the guilty party transfers his own sins onto the innocent other so that he may then crucify the innocent in place of himself.


134 posted on 10/03/2011 9:51:00 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: mtg

That is an inescapable conclusion from having an evolutionary worldview,

that the present species of humans is inferior to a possible future species, and that anything we can do to hasten this is desirable. We see this conclusion historically in many collectivist/elitist movements, INCLUDING MARXISM.


135 posted on 10/03/2011 9:53:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

I am standing on the traditional Christian view that God reveals himself through his Word AND through nature.

Since there are abundant clues in nature that consistently point to a very old Earth, an interpretation of Genesis that suggests otherwise says God is contradicting Himself. Which He can never do.


136 posted on 10/03/2011 9:55:51 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Are we also then to assume you do not regard the Bible
as the Holy Spirit Inspired Word of God?

If so then you have no explanation for fulfilled prophecy as found in Psalm 22.


137 posted on 10/03/2011 9:58:07 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

You don’t need to assume anything. I believe the Bible is the Holy Spirit Inspired Word of God.


138 posted on 10/03/2011 10:02:10 AM PDT by DManA
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To: MrB; DManA; spirited irish; allmendream; metmom

I think the core issue of this debate is if man is fallible in his interpretation of the Bible, but not in his observations, assumptions, and interpretations of the universe around him.


139 posted on 10/03/2011 10:06:15 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: MrB
What evolutionary theory DOES fit well, and is the basis for, is Marxism.

No, evolutionary theory supports the existence of two ideologies.

One is a group oriented ideology, evolved from the K-selected psychology. It is competitive individually (and supports the freedom which allows competition), loyal to group, monogamous, selfless in group competition, and honorable.

This psychology will produce immense evolutionary advancement because resources are apportioned based upon ability and effort, and competitive ability, and groups compete to find the fittest group-oriented human.

Humans overwhelmingly adhere to this competitive, K-selected psychology, and this is why we are so advanced. It is also why we evolved to embody such good as freedom for competitiveness, loyalty, monogamy, family, and honor. This is also why we overwhelmingly support Conservatism over Liberalism.

The other ideology is about pursuing personal individual advantage. This psychology, evolved from the r-selected psychology. It abhors competition, and resources apportioned based upon ability and effort, as it is generally held by those who are less fit. It is based upon using a strategy of betrayal in group competition, for selfish advantage. It embraces promiscuity, low investment child rearing, such as single parenting, and it supports mating as early in life as possible. This is the psychology of Liberalism and Marxism. Stifle all free competition among men, distribute resources equally, regardless of ability and effort, and destroy anything which says otherwise, like God. You can even see this ideology in other species, where weaker specimens seek to thwart competitions and their outcomes in the search for mates.

Evolutionary theory supports Conservatism because mankind is a K-selected, Competitive, Warrior species. Evolutionary theory demonstrates that Liberalism is a case of an inferior, minority psychology seeking to oppress superior specimens within a species, for nothing more than personal advantage. It demonstrates that every honorable value our species holds dear, the Liberal stands for the opposite.

Evolutionary theory shows Liberals to be inferior to conservatives from a fitness perspective (Which Liberals cannot stand psychologically), and it humiliates them by showing them to be oppressive, disloyal, immoral cowards. We as a species, hate these traits because we do not hold them. We do not hold them, because God designed a world in which we would not.

And because the science is so sound, there is nothing Liberals can do about it. God designed the world. To highlight His mechanisms is to humiliate Liberals, because the world was not designed for a Commie. We live in a world where Commie Liberals are losers, lacking in any respectable quality.

"what works" is plainly given in the Word.

Yes, and what works in God's world is what works with his design. Conservatism works, becasue we are a K-selected, Competitive, Warrior species, in a world dewigned to favor K-selected, Competitive Warriors, and Conservatism is a K-selected, Competitive, Warrior ideology.

140 posted on 10/03/2011 10:09:11 AM PDT by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.atheoryofwar.com)
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