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Bombshell: DOJ Considering Elimination of ATF (ATF? WTF?)
Townhall ^ | 09/30/2011 | Katie Palich

Posted on 09/30/2011 2:59:57 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000

Multiple sources, including sources from ATF, DOJ and Congressional offices have said there is a white paper circulating within the Department of Justice, outlining the essential elimination of ATF. According to sources, the paper outlines the firing of at least 450 ATF agents in an effort to conduct damage control as Operation Fast and Furious gets uglier and as election day 2012 gets closer.

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“It’s a serious white paper being circulated, how far they’d get with it I don’t know,” a confidential source said.

After a town hall meeting about Operation Fast and Furious in Tucson, Ariz. on Monday, ATF Whistleblower Vince Cefalu, who has been key in exposing details about Operation Fast and Furious, confirmed the elimination of ATF has been circulating as a serious idea for sometime now and that a white paper outlining the plan does exist.

Sounds great right? Eliminating ATF? But there is more to this story. Remember, low level ATF field agents, like ATF whistleblower John Dodson, were uncomfortable conducting Operation Fast and Furious from the beginning, but were told by high level officials within ATF that if they had a problem with the operation, they could find a job elsewhere.

“Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated,” ATF Whistleblower John Dodson said in testimony on Capitol Hill on June 15, 2011.

In fact, not only were the ATF agents forced to carry out the operation, they were told to go against what they had been taught in training.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; fastandfurious; gunrunner; gunwalker
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To: GeronL

“but the probably is this guy wants his own domestic army.”

The million man ‘Homey’ army.


61 posted on 09/30/2011 4:29:23 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: traditional1

**** “ Why not eliminate the DOE for the Solyndra sham, and the NEA for the failed eductaion system? How about the EPA, for the drastic economic and private property Rights elimination? “ ****

Bump and Dittos!

TT


62 posted on 09/30/2011 4:34:23 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: TexasTransplant

http://www.thoseshirts.com/atf.html

$17.95

All sizes in stock.


63 posted on 09/30/2011 4:36:33 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

And many of it’s employees put in prison.


64 posted on 09/30/2011 4:38:35 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (FUBO)
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To: Joe Boucher

” And many of it’s employees put in prison. “

Where they’d still have roof overhead and food in belly on the taxpayers’ dime....


65 posted on 09/30/2011 4:40:21 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

YUP......!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX-I8VdYvwA


66 posted on 09/30/2011 4:44:13 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Holder and Dunham think they can blame their own criminal activity on the people they ordered to perpetrate it.

And, this may cause some whistle blowers to come forth and sink this corrupt administration.

67 posted on 09/30/2011 5:04:48 PM PDT by Know et al (The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Let the guilty hacks all rot in prison together from every level of this Regime.


68 posted on 09/30/2011 5:46:13 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Just because they are unemployed doesn’t mean they can’t be hauled into court or before Congress. Might even loosen a few tounges....


69 posted on 09/30/2011 6:12:44 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

No I understand.


70 posted on 09/30/2011 6:35:57 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: DuncanWaring

I love that!


71 posted on 09/30/2011 7:33:37 PM PDT by dusttoyou (paulnutz/bachnutz/palinwishers are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Travis McGee
i'll believe it when i see it...
72 posted on 09/30/2011 7:34:28 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

No slack!!


73 posted on 09/30/2011 7:35:22 PM PDT by dusttoyou (paulnutz/bachnutz/palinwishers are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: dljordan

The million man ‘Homey’ army.

Shootin dare 9s sideays and holdin up da pants wid de utter. I’m SCARED.


74 posted on 09/30/2011 7:39:18 PM PDT by dusttoyou (paulnutz/bachnutz/palinwishers are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: DuncanWaring

I have that shirt, gets great comments.


75 posted on 09/30/2011 8:06:54 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Fast and Furious leaving its mark...


76 posted on 09/30/2011 8:32:35 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: DuncanWaring

This from the ATF website:

http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2011/09/092811-lou-former-whitley-county-sheriff-gets-186-months.html

Maybe they do some good...


77 posted on 09/30/2011 8:37:51 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Well I wish that they would at least finish processing my manufacturer’s license before they shut them down... I’m gettin really tired of waiting on them. I kind of thought things were moving a little slow. Maybe this explains it.


78 posted on 09/30/2011 8:38:04 PM PDT by Raven6
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To: traditional1

Hopefully, in due time those rouge agencies will go, too.

ATF has been a corrupt force against the constitution for a long time now. With the patriot act, we have way too much funding and power in DHS. They always turn it against the American people and our Bill of Rights.

There has got to be change in Homeland Security’s focus, power and money. Given their history of corruption and abuse, axing the ATF is a start.


79 posted on 09/30/2011 8:48:30 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
“You’re giving Holder and Dumb0 WAY too much credit for intelligence.”

Huh? Not so. My point was that it was pretty stupid to fire people who might keep their mouth shut. Once they have no job, they might as well blow the whistle, and instead of a handful of insider whistleblowers they might have hundreds.

Disgruntled Yeh, but if there are enough of them, people figure where there is smoke there is fire.

80 posted on 09/30/2011 10:19:37 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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