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really deep thoughts
from Besrkeley.

1 posted on 09/26/2011 6:17:45 PM PDT by SmithL
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Translation: Only racists do not discriminate on the basis of race.


2 posted on 09/26/2011 6:21:28 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Now days calling someone a racist is like telling them there's a crumb on their chin)
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A child defending his childish beliefs.


3 posted on 09/26/2011 6:21:37 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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I didn’t know there were any Republicans within 50 miles of Berkeley. Athens, Ohio is hard enough. But Berekley ? they need our prayers. LOL


4 posted on 09/26/2011 6:22:56 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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From the article:

The two studies from the Harvard Education Review tell us that, at least in the case of verbal SAT scores, scores can not be meaningfully compared without considering the races of the applicants.

In fact, to ignore race when considering a lower or higher verbal SAT score is to build a pro-white bias into admissions, giving white students a preference over black students of equal merit.

Pretty much speaks for itself.

As does the silence of millions of black people who should be infuriated by this.

5 posted on 09/26/2011 6:25:50 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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“The study found that, yes, SATs tend to give lower scores to black students than white students of equal achievement and merit.”

“give”, the SAT gives scores? I thought they just scored the test without regard to race.

6 posted on 09/26/2011 6:26:01 PM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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Thomas Lord is wrong. He employs racism to facilitate the elimination of vouchers and school choice for minorities.


7 posted on 09/26/2011 6:26:07 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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Which makes me wonder— “Why bother with SATs at all?”


8 posted on 09/26/2011 6:26:51 PM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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There is NO shortage of minorities in the organization that writes the SAT test. This child’s assumption, that whites write the exam and therefore it must somehow favor whites, assumes the racial composition of organizations he knows nothing about... all while he purports to have some insight into racial bias.


9 posted on 09/26/2011 6:28:52 PM PDT by Teacher317 (really?)
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Logical consistency is very difficult for liberals.


10 posted on 09/26/2011 6:29:57 PM PDT by Amagi (You can't discuss Camelot without mentioning Squire Ted & the Lady in the Lake.)
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2 whole studies, conduced by a leftist institution and we end up with it being OK to put a heavy finger on the scale.

And how many people remember Prop 209 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_209_(1996) )? This legislation is illegal on its face.


11 posted on 09/26/2011 6:30:46 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (California: Making Texas more Conservative one voter at a time)
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“In fact, to ignore race when considering a lower or higher verbal SAT score is to build a pro-white bias into admissions, giving white students a preference over black students of equal merit.”

What the Leftists are saying here is that Blacks can’t cut it against Whitey because they are Black and need other ways of leveling the playing field for them not based on merit. What a bunch of racist dipsticks.


15 posted on 09/26/2011 6:35:24 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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English is English. Math is Math. I would like to see a biased question. Whenever this is brought up, I have never seen an example of a biased question.


16 posted on 09/26/2011 6:36:15 PM PDT by Bruinator (God is Great.... God is Good....Evil is Real.)
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Dear Mr. Lord:

You are so Full of BullS##T, that every time you open your mouth, you soil your chin and shirt with bovine excrement.


17 posted on 09/26/2011 6:36:41 PM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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This individual’s commentary on DIF questions leaves out 2 important facts: 1) the more difficult questions on verbal have been found to skew IN FAVOR OF blacks; 2) A DIF for Latinos has been examined — and none has been found.

So apparently, the SAT — even though it skews the harder questions to make them easier for blacks — discriminates against (only) blacks. There is no DIF score on math questions...and yet the score ‘gulf’ is even worse there. What will the excuse be for that??


18 posted on 09/26/2011 6:37:02 PM PDT by HGSW0904
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The study found that, yes, SATs tend to give lower scores to black students than white students of equal achievement and merit.

Berkeley explains it all for you. SAT scores are "given" like Halloween candy, or government cheese. It's just a distribution problem, don't you see.

20 posted on 09/26/2011 6:40:17 PM PDT by denydenydeny (The moment you step into a world of facts, you step into a world of limits. --Chesterton)
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The silly fellow is ignoring the fact that the people being kept out of UC Berkeley by AA policies are nearly all Asian, not white.

Talk about culturally based differences in SAT scores driving racial differences fails completely with Asians.

And then there is the problem with math - that Harvard study shows no culturally driven differences in math scores - does this not constitute an argument against AA in science and engineering majors ?

And I bet the alleged cultural differences in verbal scores found in that study are far smaller than would justify the degree of preference actually implemented.


23 posted on 09/26/2011 6:43:05 PM PDT by buwaya
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If we accept the Harvard studies, then we should accept the following premise. The average income (which reflects the purchasing power) of Blacks is different from that of Whites. So, since the purchasing power among races—for whatever reasons, and they may be the same reasons as for the results on SAT scores—are different, why can’t we use price discrimination based on race to level off the purchasing power?


24 posted on 09/26/2011 6:43:14 PM PDT by paudio (0bama is like a bad mechanic who couldn't fix your car; he just makes it worse. Hire someone else.)
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parents of author need to sue Cal berkeley -

All that crap - and never once mentioned the evil racist Math section of SAT.

Interpret 2+2 =4

What a mental reject this guy is.


25 posted on 09/26/2011 6:43:38 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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Just another Berkeley Pimp of the Race Industry!


26 posted on 09/26/2011 6:45:02 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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...the failure to consider race and other similar factors is intrinsically racist.

And people thought Orwell was exaggerating.

27 posted on 09/26/2011 6:45:35 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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