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(Live Thread) Republican Presidential Debate #6 - Sep. 22, 2011 - Orlando, FL. (9pm ET FOXNEWS)
Google-YouTube / FoxNews ^ | Sept. 22, 2011

Posted on 09/22/2011 2:55:26 PM PDT by newzjunkey

Broadcast on: FOXNEWS

Broadcast time: 9pm EDT/6pm PDT

The NINE(!) Candidates:

Michele Bachmann

Bachmann is serving her 3rd full term in the U.S. House. Founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, worked as a tax attorney, and was a foster mother for 23 teenagers. She is a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Herman Cain

Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.

Newt Gingrich

Gingrich served as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999. He represented Georgia's 6th congressional district as a Republican member from 1979 to 1999. He has a PhD in modern European history.

Jon Huntsman

Huntsman was Utah Governor, former ambassador to China under Barack Obama.

Ron Paul

Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an ob-gyn and was Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008

Rick Perry

Perry is the three term governor of Texas, from 2000 to current. He is a retired Air Force captain for former farmer. He has a degree in animal science.

Mitt Romney

Romney was governor of Massachusetts (2003 to 2007) and former CEO of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican 2008 nomination for president. He has an MBA (Harvard) and JD (Harvard Law).

Rick Santorum

Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.

Gary Johnson

Johnson served as governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2002. He founded what would become one of the largest construction companies in New Mexico. He has competed in several triathlons and climbed Mount Everest.


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To: Carling
Great. Here come Obama's term two because FReepers can't find their perfect candidate.

My sentiments exactly...see my tagline.

1,941 posted on 09/23/2011 4:54:30 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: octex

That’s last year’s table. Have you looked at the CURRENT YEAR ~ it’s called 2011/2012. There are some serious changes. http://www.utexas.edu/business/accounting/pubs/tf_undergrad_fall11.pdf You can get an idea of how magnificent the subsidy formerly was when you notice that undergraduate in-state tuition has more than doubled for this year. California tuitions rose even more and students are currently rioting over the matter.


1,942 posted on 09/23/2011 4:57:06 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: newzjunkey

Missed the debate but here’s my .0002 cents after reading
comments:

1. Romney remains in a strong position because of establishment support and the fawning connivance of the media (which will promptly dump him in the general). However, he continues to fail to excite the GOP base. Given the threat he poses, the other candidates should have focused on him rather than on Perry.

2. Perry’s initial momentum has apparently stalled after his lackluster debate performance. It seems a lot of people who have put their hopes in him have been at least somewhat disappointed.

3. Bachman is fading; her increasingly shrill attacks (both during the debate and in anti-Perry ads) come across as intemperate desperation.

4. Gingrich has the smarts and is a great communicator, but his negatives preclude him as a viable candidate.

5. Santorum is ideologically pure, but has not gained significant traction. The remaining candidates are likewise insignificant at this point.

The Wild Card in all this is Palin. I would like to see her throw her hat in the ring to see how she would stack up against the others.


1,943 posted on 09/23/2011 5:03:03 AM PDT by tjd1454
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To: org.whodat

http://www.utexas.edu/business/accounting/pubs/tf_undergrad_fall11.pdf I hate to use this twice but Texas changed the level of state subsidies for higher education this year. The current in-state fees did something more than “inch toward” the out of state fees ~ they seem to have DOUBLED and are currently within $4,000 per semester of the out of state. That reduces the direct subsidy to about $8,000 per year rather than the full $22,000. Romney’s folks used a ref that included housing. Seems out of state students don’t get access to the cheaper dorms in a lot of these schools ~ or could be the relative percentages of freshmen and grad students is different. I didn’t dig through it.


1,944 posted on 09/23/2011 5:03:42 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: octex; muawiyah
Here’s the tuition table from the Univ. of TX for 2010-2011 and it shows for residents that tuition for 12 hours (kids need time to party and work part time, doncha know) is averaging around $4800-$5000. The tuition for the same number of hours by non-residents might be averaging $10,000-$15,000.

The fees that a college charges in addition to tuition can make the total cost a lot more than that, but AFAIK there is no extra charge for out-of-state students for those. LINK: Required fees include laboratory fees, supplementary fees, incidental fees, the aquatic complex fee, the Gregory Gymnasium renovation fee, the health services building fee, the information technology fee, the international education fee, the library fee, the medical services fee, the recreational sports fee, the registration fee, the student services fee, the student services building fee, and the Texas Union fee.

Perry could have nailed Romney on this point, but maybe he didn't have time in the debate format.

I don't think this Dream Act is fair, because it allows reduced tuition for illegal aliens who have no way of ever being legal, but the legislature passed it fair and square. And if enough Texans agree with me, the law can be changed to require aliens to apply for legal status before they apply for the Dream Act.

1,945 posted on 09/23/2011 5:07:33 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: org.whodat
No ~ made a mistake. The in-state per semester fees are about $5,000 for undergraduates and the out of state per semester fees are about $17,000 for undergraduates.

That is $12,000 per semester, or $24,000 per year.

See, I am able to go back and check errors.

That is a fascinating difference ~ Texas actually thinks they can get $34,000 from out of state undergraduate students.

No doubt they plan on using the higher rates to subsidize even more illegal aliens.

1,946 posted on 09/23/2011 5:10:48 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Irenic
RE:1907
I agree with everything you said.
1,947 posted on 09/23/2011 5:11:55 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: SteveAustin
Are we going to protect our borders and stop this insanity on immigration or are we the welfare agency for illegal immigrants worldwide? Perry seems to think the latter.

81% of new jobs created in Texas since the start of the last recession went to immigrants...both legal and illegal.

Link

1,948 posted on 09/23/2011 5:12:16 AM PDT by afnamvet (I stand with Israel.)
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To: hocndoc

I understand that Texas has some reasonable boundaries on the freebies it gifts to illegally entered college students and that is good, also good is that one doesn’t penalize the kid for the sins of the parent — yet it is bad that it is a reward to the parents for such bad behavior.

Me, I am for open borders between equals, like Canada. Many years ago around the the time of The Republic (of Texas) we and May-he-koh where equals. Sometime around the time of the shoemaker Pancho Villa that changed. That part of the US grew beyond the ability to keep a safe border with the immature and sickened governments in the lands South of the Border.

We need not only a strong border, but even an armed police action in Northern Mexico border estados where we install native forces trained and subordinate to our own government, military and police. We also need to decriminalize marijuana, and lessen the penalties for cocaine and heroin. In other words, abandon the Wat on Drugs.

By doing so in two generations — 37 years — we will be able to open out borders because we will then be equals.


Returning to the near point. Mr. Perry.

I object most to Mr. Perry’s bleeding heart style emotional style of defending his executive choices, and of his inability or unwillingness to give credit to the most valid and obvious objections against those policies, he instead turns the argument into that which the despicable Democrats and Marxists use often. Argument by hyper emotional inflation of a few clearly sympatico examples.

The young woman will cervical cancer, or the young student here because his illegal entering parents dragged him here. These are examples upon which a logical, honest and rational person — a TRUE LEADER, a Ronald Reagan — uses to inform and make real a argument of ideas and ideals.

Mr. Perry doesn’t do so. He grabs the dead rat in his maw and drags it onto the supper table defiantly. He makes only two arguments. One: IT WAS MY DECISION TO MAKE. Two: ONLY THE MOST HEARTLESS WOULD DISAGREE WITH ME.

I’m sorry Texas. Mr. Perry may be a good governor for your Republic-become-State today, but he will be a terrible leader for America. Unless and until he gets a muy serioso attitude adjustment.


1,949 posted on 09/23/2011 5:13:04 AM PDT by bvw
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
The current 2011/12 rates are FAR HIGHER. $17,000 per semester for out of state students (that's $34,000 per annum, not counting summers), and $5,000 per semester for instate ~ or only $10,000 per annum.

Romney's error was in NOT using current year ~ which makes the subsidy level $24,000 per annum!!!!

Several universities provide an estimated cost for housing, et al, and the amount for out of state students is higher than in state. I think that has to do with relative costs of freshman dormitories versus living in town.

But, back to the Romney number ~ it's EVEN HIGHER THIS YEAR!

The people in your legislature are IDIOTS.

1,950 posted on 09/23/2011 5:16:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SideoutFred

Then back a conservative. Because if there is one on the ticket. I’ll vote for him. Tired of being Charlie Brown and trying to kick the football.


1,951 posted on 09/23/2011 5:16:21 AM PDT by carjic (I've always been taught to respect my elders.... but it's getting harder to find any!)
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Imo Perry wasn't very good last night.
Romney is good looking, well spoken and FOS.
But just like obama, he says what people want to hear, wrapped up in pretty words.
He is the media's candidate and will probably get the nomination.

People who say that a vote for romney is a vote against obama are wrong. He's just obama with different hair.
1,952 posted on 09/23/2011 5:21:01 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Scythian

“... Romney should have shot back with “First you were Al Gore’s campaign manager, now your here posting as a Conservative”.”


Ummm.... Do some research. Perry was NOT Gore’s campaign manager anywhere. Gore himself was on TV a week or so ago and said he thought he met Perry once in Texas.


1,953 posted on 09/23/2011 5:22:10 AM PDT by octex
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To: bert
That is a twist of my thought that they are driven “to make a difference”

Yeah, I meant to agree with you on that one. What I am saying is that the things that actually do make a difference are things that are considered "heartless".

Which is also, what I think you wrote in your next sentences. It's easier to buy a bumper sticker... etc then to think about ways to reform welfare.

I think young men want to make a difference, but are generally more ok with the status quo. I believe that's what you were asking. If not, I apologize.

1,954 posted on 09/23/2011 5:29:09 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: justice14

Very good posting, justice14.

It’s great to hear from a young person like yourself that is already seeing the world like it really is and is willing to express your thoughts. That means there is still hope for America. Hang in there! I’m 69 and really appreciate the younger generations that recognize what is right for getting this country back on track. ....Best of luck to you in the future.


1,955 posted on 09/23/2011 5:40:04 AM PDT by octex
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To: muawiyah
The current 2011/12 rates are FAR HIGHER. $17,000 per semester for out of state students (that's $34,000 per annum, not counting summers), and $5,000 per semester for instate ~ or only $10,000 per annum.

Thanks for the correction, I missed that. So Perry didn't have an answer to that after all. (BTW I think Romney is likely to be worse than Perry, but I am going to be hard on both.)

The people in your legislature are IDIOTS.

Yes, I can understand the argument that students who really have a current application for permanent residence are trying to do the right thing, but the actual "requirement" is only that they sign a paper stating that they "will apply" some day. That needs to change.

But it is good that they passed voter ID.

1,956 posted on 09/23/2011 5:40:49 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: Diogenesis; novemberslady

Don’t know who you guys want to be our nominee, but I like Mitt more than last time..... Perry is OUT~ I like Newt and Bachman but they are un-electable and Santorum is good, but doesn’t have that persona or popularity.


1,957 posted on 09/23/2011 5:41:15 AM PDT by Fawn (No--bama 2012)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Yes, VOTER ID ~ that’s a good thing!


1,958 posted on 09/23/2011 5:45:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: flaglady47

Charmed by your hostile analysis of my post. I can’t tell you the last time I saw or heard Mike Wallace say anything and I did not doze off. Maybe you didn’t notice how much time Perry and Romney spent attacking each other’s positions. Doze off?


1,959 posted on 09/23/2011 5:46:25 AM PDT by McLynnan
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To: Fawn
IT’S UNANIMOUS FOR ROMNEY

Carville(D):
"It's a feel-good story, this Romney thing.
Romney is an ascendant guy
."

Sen. John Kerry (D) to Don Imus on RomneyCARE:
"I like this health care bill".

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) on RomneyCARE:
"To come up with a bipartisan plan in this polarized environment is commendable."

Mitt Romney wins much coveted Jimmy Carter endorsement

1,960 posted on 09/23/2011 5:47:59 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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