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Plane Crashes Into Crowd at Nevada Air Race, Injuring More Than 75
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Posted on 09/16/2011 7:05:20 PM PDT by nuconvert

DEVELOPING: RENO, Nev. -- An airplane crashed Friday into a crowd attending an air race here, injuring dozens in what one event official described as a "mass-casualty situation."

A medical official later said more than 75 people had been injured, including 25 critically. There was no official word on deaths, though one report put the toll as high as 12 and the crash near the grandstands left a horrific scene of bodies and wreckage.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airrace; airshow; aviation; planecrash; reno; renoairraces; waketurbulence
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To: hattend
A nasty thing to see for sure. And you are right, it could have been much worse. You can bet the pilot knew he was going to auger-in and was doing everything he could to miss the crowd. Thankfully like auto racing, safety features prevented a fireball, which could have incinerated you even at 100 ft.
61 posted on 09/16/2011 11:33:00 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: nuconvert

11:00 News showed a VERY clear still photo of a trim-tab coming off the plane just before the pilot lost full control.

The trim-tab is not that large a part, it is part of the horizontal stabilizer.
Apparently, losing it made this plane uncontrollable.

So, it seems fairly clear that this was a mechanical failure at speed.

No doubt the NTSB will have more to say, in several months.


62 posted on 09/17/2011 12:01:29 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: nuconvert

I was thinking of going, but decided not to...interesting how life takes you places and holds you back.


63 posted on 09/17/2011 12:45:06 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (Obama Debt-Laden)
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To: Loyal Sedition; nuconvert; All
This might be an interesting vid for you pilot types. Doesn't show the crash, but does show seconds before the crash, a steep climb, a roll at the top, becoming inverted, and a dive right in... Wonder if that supports any of the mechanical error observations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndd9PVDM3jU Title: Plane Crash at Reno Air Race 2011 (Angle 2)

64 posted on 09/17/2011 12:51:05 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1; All
Complete original of above posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e60_W4tuTNI. Graphically better, also shows some aftermath.
65 posted on 09/17/2011 12:58:46 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: LibertyRocks

Shows impact with debrie scattering

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-09s_eleMs


66 posted on 09/17/2011 1:06:07 AM PDT by caww
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To: Seaplaner

I agree with Hannity on this one. You would have to be a fool to go to this show knowing how dangerous it is and that you could be killed in a second. Everyone involved in this show has no business putting on an event like this when they can’t guarantee safety for its viewers. They deserve to get sued for millions because of their irresponsible actions.

This reminds me of that fire in that Connecticut bar where fireworks were lit in that deathtrap where 100 people died. Some of them faced criminal charges, IIRC.

And all of this tragedy for a RACE? I don’t get it....


67 posted on 09/17/2011 1:13:50 AM PDT by dupree
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To: dupree

Baloney dupree.....it’s a race and races have accidents and those who attend have the freedom to choose the risks they take in life....including crossing a street. There are no guarantess of life nor that there is safety in all situations. This was an event for entertainment and all those who chose to go there will likely do so again.


68 posted on 09/17/2011 1:17:24 AM PDT by caww
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To: xjcsa

The other problem with FR search is that it doesn’t do whole message searches. (body&title)

If you’re searching for something and what you are searching for wasn’t part of the title .. you’re outta luck.

You’re Very restricted with title searches only .. Basically, you’re at the mercy of the person who posted a linked article, hoping that the title and article compliment each other. 8)


69 posted on 09/17/2011 1:20:59 AM PDT by freejohn ("Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." --- Mark Twain)
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To: freejohn
There's some really good photos and info on the main thread.

70 posted on 09/17/2011 1:35:30 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: hattend

I’m very glad you weren’t injured. I can’t imagine how incredibly scary that must have been. Thank you for sharing your first-hand account - it confirms what some have reported that the pilot did everything possible to minimize injuries to the spectators.


71 posted on 09/17/2011 1:56:59 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Yosemitest

The plane basically vaporized on impact. Horrific.


72 posted on 09/17/2011 1:59:20 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers”~Sarah Louise Palin)
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To: hoagy62
Here's the telling photo.



And here the reason why.
73 posted on 09/17/2011 3:01:43 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Back around 1990-91 I was living near Carson City and the Reno Air Races was a big event for me. I would get the pit pass and stroll among the different classes of aircraft all day long.

I think it was the ‘91 when they introduced The Pond racer, it was styled along the design of the twin boom P-38 but with modernized engines, actually I think they may have been souped up Datsun (Nissan) motors. I have a few pictures of the aircraft and the pilot from up close, during the race he had an electrical fire, he immediately climbed and they left the race area then went down about a half mile behind the viewing area and was killed.

I had a radio and even heard his last comments.

The next year I moved to Alaska and started to learn to fly myself. I did not ever consider the thought that racing of this type should be banned. This is living a life, if by the grace of god an accident happens it happens.

But then this aircraft from what I gather wasn’t a real P-51 but a pattern made frame, its a modern day copy altered for speed. And that saved many a life as the video shows the aircraft disintegrating and their was no fireball.


74 posted on 09/17/2011 3:04:19 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Sarah Palin and John Bolton--- 2012)
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To: Yosemitest

Thank you for posting the link to the other thread.


75 posted on 09/17/2011 3:14:08 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: caww

Thank you for the link, caww. I appreciate it.


76 posted on 09/17/2011 3:26:11 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: nuconvert

About six years ago, a classmate of mine, Richard James of Fennimore, Wisconsin, took his rebuilt P-51 Mustang out with a formation of three others at the Oshkosh Air Show, and only three came back. Somewhere out there, while making the turn back to make a pass over the air show, Dick’s P-51 had taken a similar dive toward the earth.

We shall never know just what went wrong. Mechanical failure, momentary lapse of judgment, an actual physical impairment that came about suddenly, or a much darker thought that crossed his mind, Dick’s remains could fit in a shoebox. He had spent several years, and hundreds of thousands, preparing that plane for flight, as it had to be almost a complete rebuild. Every mechanical system, from the airfoil controls to the engine itself, were restored to original specifications.

The P-51 Mustang is something of a bitch-kitty to fly, as the Allison powerplant had sufficient torque to cause a ground-loop on take-off, dipping one wing so close to the ground it would catch and flip the plane if too much power were applied while still moving down the runway. Once airborne, any maneuvers had to be gently suggested to the controls, as the response was swift and could contribute highly to the distress of the pilot. Before the concept was realized by the aeronautical engineers, the G-forces the plane was capable of could cause a pilot black-out, or definitely a moment of wooziness, and that in itself could be critical. But as Dick said, treat the plane as you would a fiery woman, and the emotional reward was well worth it.

RIP, Jimmy Leeward. In the last moment, you had to have made the call that steered the plane away from the bulk of the crowd, and prevented even greater carnage.


77 posted on 09/17/2011 4:03:50 AM PDT by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: ken5050

National Air Races of 1949, then held in Cleveland, OH were ended when a warbird crashed into a house. Several people were killed, including the pilot.


78 posted on 09/17/2011 4:24:31 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: Yosemitest
I think he crossed the wake turbulence of a leading aircraft in a turn and the horizontal stabilizer was damaged from the wingtip vortices of the wake.

Missing port-side trim tab.
79 posted on 09/17/2011 4:36:04 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: caww
Baloney dupree.....it’s a race and races have accidents and those who attend have the freedom to choose the risks they take in life....including crossing a street. There are no guarantess of life nor that there is safety in all situations. This was an event for entertainment and all those who chose to go there will likely do so again.

Absolutely. I saw Hannity last night talking about this as well, and was really surprised at how quickly and easily he jumped into the whole Nanny State/Safety Police line of reasoning.
80 posted on 09/17/2011 4:39:40 AM PDT by tanknetter
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