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(LIVE THREAD!) Republican Presidential Debate #5 - Sep. 12, 2011 8pm/5pm: Tampa, FL (CNN)
2012 Election Central ^ | Sept. 12, 2011 | CNN/Tea Party Express

Posted on 09/12/2011 7:14:30 AM PDT by newzjunkey

Broadcast on: CNN

Broadcast time: 8pm EDT/5pm PDT

The Candidates:

Michele Bachmann

Bachmann is serving her 3rd full term in the U.S. House. Founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, she earned a Master of Laws degree, worked as a tax attorney, and was a foster mother for 23 teenagers. She is a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Herman Cain

Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.

Newt Gingrich

Gingrich served as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999. He represented Georgia's 6th congressional district as a Republican member from 1979 to 1999. He has a PhD in modern European history.

Jon Huntsman

Huntsman was Utah Governor, former ambassador to China under Barack Obama.

Ron Paul

Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an ob-gyn and was Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008

Rick Perry

Perry is the three term governor of Texas, from 2000 to current. He is a retired Air Force captain for former farmer. He has a degree in animal science.

Mitt Romney

Romney was governor of Massachusetts (2003 to 2007) and former CEO of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican 2008 nomination for president. He has an MBA (Harvard) and JD (Harvard Law).

Rick Santorum

Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.


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Yeah Ron Paul! Cut Department of Energy and Department of Education!


1,821 posted on 09/12/2011 8:34:39 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Personal Responsibility
But your under thinking it...

Palin is on a different level right now....and can stay there for as far as I am concerned because she is completely large and in charge and does not have to spend a time right now nor expend any capital on debates.

With Sarah we all know what we get, there is nothing that is not known of her. With everyone else, yeah they not only have to form the planks but past muster.....Palin is not needed right now to throw her tiara into the ring.

1,822 posted on 09/12/2011 8:34:44 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: MagUSNRET

Perry didn’t respond well to Santorum, either. I think Mr. Perry is not - at this point - a very good debater. Neither was Mr. Bush. Maybe it’s a Texas thing.


1,823 posted on 09/12/2011 8:35:24 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: Grunthor
Obamacare has an opt-out?

It's called waivers.

1,824 posted on 09/12/2011 8:35:29 PM PDT by DejaJude (Obama - in over his head and above his pay grade.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
>>>>>You should have seen Michelle on the CNN after interview... “You can’t afford to maek a mistake!!!If you are President you can’t make a mistake, not one!” she is scairy.and not presidential material.

Yeah boy! After tonights debate my opinion of Bachmann went way down.

1,825 posted on 09/12/2011 8:35:52 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: P-Marlowe; dragnet2; Cincinatus' Wife; wmfights
BTW I dare say that none of the current crop of candidates would say that these children who were brought here through no fault of their own should be treated as criminals. Not Perry, Not Palin, not anybody.

FWIW, of all the candidates on the stage tonight, Perry KEPT the Hispanic vote.

The others who responded all sounded like haters.

If you were to ask me who did the text-book best in the debate tonight, I'd have to say Newt Gingrich. Gingrich is actually very good. Damn his stupidity with women. I also think Hermann Cain really helped himself tonight. And he CLEARLY curried favor with Perry by praising Galveston.

Perry absolutely held his own on social security, and might have gotten the best of it. On Gardasil he was properly repentant. On illegals he was properly stubborn.

On the fence he was right: boots on the ground with high tech and air monitoring with some areas have a fence when it made sense. That clearly was the best answer in terms of effectiveness, AND he properly pointed out that Texas could not do that alone...that the national gov't is constitutionally charged with that responsibility.

Romney wasn't bad and wasn't good. He didn't wow me at all. He was sort of bland, actually.

1,826 posted on 09/12/2011 8:36:32 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: bvw

No, I have a sweet tea but thanks.

I am still chuckling a little though having signed up twelve years ago just to support Perry for President.


1,827 posted on 09/12/2011 8:36:32 PM PDT by Eaker ("If someone misquotes you, it's because they know you're right.")
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To: winoneforthegipper; Personal Responsibility
With Sarah we all know what we get, there is nothing that is not known of her.

Did you know she supported the TARP Bailout?

1,828 posted on 09/12/2011 8:36:54 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: crusty old prospector

>> “You had all of your silver amalgamate fillings removed, right?” <<

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Wrong.

All the big diseases were conquered by our rising economy and the industrial revolution’s advance. Our ‘poor’ live better than the middle class of much of the world. Better food, water, and shelter. Better sanitary systems in the cities accounts for the reduction of the epidemics that had risen in the dark ages.

Both Polio and Smallpox were effectively controlled BEFORE the vaccines were produced. Polio was actually given new life by the Salk vaccine, both in the US, and in the Soviet Union, due to the presence of SV 40 in the vaccine.


1,829 posted on 09/12/2011 8:37:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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To: tirednvirginia

Sarah was the Governor of Alaska, Perry was Gov of Texas. Romney was not Governor anywhere during Palin`s Governorship, so why would she speak of Romney in her emails as Gov of Alaska?

I do not follow your logic

Governor Palin as even much of the MSM now concede, was in fact a very hard working governor, so she had no time to be following the adventures of former Governor Romney.


1,830 posted on 09/12/2011 8:38:06 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or flippin bust)
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To: Niteflyr

Isn’t that what the primary process is for, vetting candidates. At any rate, the more I hear from Romney, the more I have to say that he could get the nomination, if he has the guts to challenge Obama in a primary for the democrat nomination that is. I have to wonder just what the heck he disagrees with Obama on? Attacking Perry or any Republican candidate from the left reminds me of Bush Sr. attacking Reagan for proposing voodo economics.

One word, Romneycare. Instead of Perry having to defend his “Ponzi Scheme” comment, can we hear from Mr. Romney on why he would ever, ever, ever have supported a socialized medicine plan?


1,831 posted on 09/12/2011 8:38:15 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: WOSG

In general opt-outs are considered back marketing devices as they create real backlash due to abuse.

When the government says “this is strongly advised” and it and BIG PHARMA spend oodles pushing the fearsome half-specs (which you repeat) offer something in an opt-out program there is huge element of social compulsion, making the program effectively compulsory to all but a very brave or loony few, the outliers and outlaws.


1,832 posted on 09/12/2011 8:38:15 PM PDT by bvw
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To: miss marmelstein

It’s called bait and wait.


1,833 posted on 09/12/2011 8:38:30 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: P-Marlowe

Shut up with your tired crap....go spam someone else.


1,834 posted on 09/12/2011 8:38:36 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: altura

I must have my definition of conservative confused. Last time I checked Perry was pro God, pro guns, pro life, pro jobs and served his country. Some people act like he’s the anti Christ or something. I just don’t underatnd it.


1,835 posted on 09/12/2011 8:39:13 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: potlatch
First of all, thank you for your kind remark.

[A mandate is a tax. Tea Party is about opposing mandates/taxes without representation.]

Truthfully I had not thought about that much, but had I, I would still have concentrated more on the thought of preventing a disease, and I think you would too. Perry did. And - we both know that none of the Perry bashing has been about the cost - at least I haven’t seen that myself. It is all about Perry MAKING young [innocent...] girls take inoculations because there were side effects in a few. There always are side effects from any inoculations, medicines, etc.

Well neither do the Perry supporters seem to 'get it' that the 'tea party' erupted over mandates/taxation without representation. IF the citizens of the state of Texas are fine with their state government executing mandates/taxes so be it. I for one am opposed to more of the same style of government on the federal level.

I shudder that kids have been so sexualized by the hollywood and political culture that drug companies had the foresight to create a drug to protect them.

1,836 posted on 09/12/2011 8:39:22 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Eaker
Yes, I know that, it means the parents have to go somewhere and sign something saying they don't want this. Sometimes that's not so easy.

It's a problem. You can pretend it isn't, but mandating it rather than suggesting it as an enlightened course of action (which it wasn't), is so far from the right thing to do, it makes my head spin.

It ought to make anyone claiming to be conservative angry as H*ll.......instead, people on this forum are defending him as if it was the right thing to do.

1,837 posted on 09/12/2011 8:39:43 PM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Tribune7

>> “Right now, I’m thinking that Sarah doesn’t deserve the job.” <<

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But that is what you’ve been saying all along.


1,838 posted on 09/12/2011 8:39:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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Huntsman gets a good point in by pointing out that what has been playing out in America is a human tragedy regarding employment.


1,839 posted on 09/12/2011 8:40:04 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: jwalsh07

Yes, I am in Texas. I opposed HPV vaccine mandate. It was a mistake by Perry. He admitted it. It’s a dead issue from 4 years back.

That being said doesn’t give people the right to distort the facts. Such as the fact that vaccines - including this one- save lives, that Texas has an opt-out so that nobody is ‘forced’ to take the vaccine, etc.

Bachmann and Santorum both made false statements on this topic and it should be corrected.

“So you tell me why would you defend executive order mandates”

Again, I opposed and oppose it.


1,840 posted on 09/12/2011 8:40:14 PM PDT by WOSG
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