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(LIVE THREAD!) Republican Presidential Debate #4 - Sep. 7, 2011 8pm/5pm: Reagan Library, CA (MSNBC)
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Posted on 09/07/2011 1:53:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey

Broadcast on: MSNBC

Broadcast time: 8pm EDT/5pm PDT

The Candidates:

Michele Bachmann

Bachmann is serving her 3rd full term in the U.S. House. Founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, she earned a Master of Laws degree, worked as a tax attorney, and was a foster mother for 23 teenagers. She is a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Herman Cain

Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.

Newt Gingrich

Gingrich served as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999. He represented Georgia's 6th congressional district as a Republican member from 1979 to 1999. He has a PhD in modern European history.

Jon Huntsman

Huntsman was Utah Governor, former ambassador to China under Barack Obama.

Ron Paul

Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an ob-gyn and was Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008

Rick Perry

Perry is the three term governor of Texas, from 2000 to current. He is a retired Air Force captain for former farmer. He has a degree in animal science.

Mitt Romney

Romney was governor of Massachusetts (2003 to 2007) and former CEO of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican 2008 nomination for president. He has an MBA (Harvard) and JD (Harvard Law).

Rick Santorum

Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.

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To: Windflier
Begging off the challenge? You silly child. You punked yourself in front of me and everyone else. Testing my search skills is not a “challenge”.

My logical fallacy here was expecting someone who makes ridiculous claims would actually back them up. And me asking you to back up what you say is HARDLY "punking" myself, it's asking you to live up to the mental challenge of actually being intellectually honest. Apparently that's a bridge too far for you.

Obviously the real challenge is for you to figure out that your first post to me was a failure in logic, and that you’ve dug yourself further in with every round.

Asking you to back up the garbage you spew is a failure in logic? The only failure here is on YOUR end.

Find another hobby, kid. You suck at this one.

Hobby? Hell this doesn't even rise the level of a hobby. And the clock is still ticking numbnuts.
2,101 posted on 09/12/2011 10:57:13 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: MikefromOhio
someone who makes ridiculous claims

I can't believe you're still trying to get me to prove that I can cut and paste "at the drop of a hat".

Or have you forgotten that that's the full extent of your 'challenge'?

Listen up. This was entertaining for the first couple of posts, but you're turning into a stalker. I told you several posts back that I wasn't going to dignify your silly challenge with a response. I even tried to let you off the hook, but you insisted on embarrassing yourself by hounding me about it for several subsequent posts.

Now, enough is enough. This is done.

2,102 posted on 09/13/2011 7:23:39 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem.

When you boasted about being able to post flaming posts from Perry supporters “at the drop of a hat”, I asked you to post them so I could see.

And instead, unlike an upstanding citizen and conservative, you have continued to evade my request and much like the Kenyan usurper himself, you have continued to talk big and act little.

Very telling about your character (or lack thereof) in my opinion.


2,103 posted on 09/13/2011 12:03:10 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: MikefromOhio
Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem. When you boasted about being able to post flaming posts from Perry supporters “at the drop of a hat”, I asked you to post them so I could see.

No, Mike. You're the one with the reading comprehension problem...or is it a data retention problem? You see, we've already had this conversation at least three times now.

I'm going to explain it to you for the last time. You issued an unworthy challenge that no intelligent adult would trouble themselves to answer. From the very first post, I told you that there was no point in me proving the existence of flaming posts from Perry supporters to you. Those kinds of posts are rampant across the Perry/Palin threads on FR.

Your challenge then fell to demanding that I quickly produce such posts for you, which does little more than provide you with a demonstration of my cut and paste skills.

If you can't see how pointless and juvenile this whole conversation has been, then I'm not sure what to think of your cognitive abilities.

I do know one thing, though. I am done explaining this to you. You want to issue a worthy challenge, I'll be more than happy to rise to it, but quit stalking me about this petty bs. We're done.

2,104 posted on 09/13/2011 2:12:39 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Intelligent adults actually usually act like adults when asked to back up their claims to be able to post something “at the drop of a hat”.

Apparently you continue to have a reading comprehension problem or a projection problem since you continue to try to push this onto me.

YOU are the one who made the claim. I asked to see it. Not surprisingly, you’ve ducked, avoided and outright dodged every attempt to have you back up your idiotic claim, and now you want to act like a typical liberal democrat.

You’ve got a problem and it’s because you boast things you have absolutely zero intention to back up. Sounds eerily similar to the Kenyan Usurper to me.


2,105 posted on 09/14/2011 4:53:15 AM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: MikefromOhio

Mike, I’ve told you three times now that this conversation is done. Quit stalking me.


2,106 posted on 09/14/2011 7:42:49 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: hocndoc

Ah, a condescending doctor refusing to discuss serious or fatal side effects, and lifestyle as a means of prevention, in order to sell a drug, test or procedure. Color me surprised.

One can have dysplasia reverse itself and the dangerous strain(s) of HPV become undetectable. Not inexplicably, but by avoiding smoking, promiscuity and a poor diet.

Some people want to smoke, sleep around, live on processed junk food and run the risk of vaccine side effects, which are cited in a number of threads on this forum. This vaccine may be for them. But forcing aluminum and preservatives into the systems of children without highlighting the risks or revealing one’s own interests is unforgivable.

I believe the oath still is, “First, do no harm.”


2,107 posted on 09/14/2011 9:34:15 PM PDT by Belle22
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To: Belle22

Exactly, it goes,” Cure when possible, but first do no harm.”
It’s not harmful to demonstrate that a vaccine works and is safe over time and 50+ million doses.
It is harmful to falsely accuse and claim abnormal paps will just go away or are due to promiscuity.
It takes 2 virgins and lifetime monogamy to make a truly perfectly HPV-safe marriage. Would you tell every woman not to have another Pap smear?


2,108 posted on 09/15/2011 5:39:45 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: hocndoc

If the vaccine’s potential recipients are fully informed of the potential risks and reported adverse reactions and they choose to go ahead, that is their decision. If however, a health care practitioner is simply telling the patient that the vaccine is “safe” and hides or significantly downplays the risks, that is wrong. Given the motivations for the health industry to take the latter course, patients have to look out for themselves.

I know someone who has had abnormal PAPs cease and the previously detected dangerous strains of HPV become undetectable in their system. The virus is presumably lying dormant, but multiple doctors have told this
woman that the virus frequently becomes undetectable.


2,109 posted on 09/18/2011 12:54:02 PM PDT by Belle22
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