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(LIVE THREAD!) Republican Presidential Debate #4 - Sep. 7, 2011 8pm/5pm: Reagan Library, CA (MSNBC)
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Posted on 09/07/2011 1:53:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey

Broadcast on: MSNBC

Broadcast time: 8pm EDT/5pm PDT

The Candidates:

Michele Bachmann

Bachmann is serving her 3rd full term in the U.S. House. Founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, she earned a Master of Laws degree, worked as a tax attorney, and was a foster mother for 23 teenagers. She is a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Herman Cain

Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.

Newt Gingrich

Gingrich served as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999. He represented Georgia's 6th congressional district as a Republican member from 1979 to 1999. He has a PhD in modern European history.

Jon Huntsman

Huntsman was Utah Governor, former ambassador to China under Barack Obama.

Ron Paul

Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an ob-gyn and was Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008

Rick Perry

Perry is the three term governor of Texas, from 2000 to current. He is a retired Air Force captain for former farmer. He has a degree in animal science.

Mitt Romney

Romney was governor of Massachusetts (2003 to 2007) and former CEO of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican 2008 nomination for president. He has an MBA (Harvard) and JD (Harvard Law).

Rick Santorum

Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.

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To: comebacknewt
Perry displayed "ted kennedy" styled open borders philosophy... that video of the man in his own words... backed by a dozen media reports... is the most damning evidence available and you guys are being absolutely disingenuous when you defend his love of the illegal invading enemy operatives. WALLS WORK... ask the Israelis... they have tried EVERYTHING ELSE. Here is a post that I just made on another thread... I include it here:

The chicoms have a river border with the norks... one cannot possibly cross that river... the chicoms will do what is needed to stop you. If you try... they will shoot you dead... but they will wait until you are in the middle... and they do not retrieve your body.

We must have an Israeli styled wall where possible... but we need to make it impossible for illegals to live in our Republic... we need to pass a law that states that if you are found in this country illegally... you CAN NEVER BECOME A CITIZEN. If you are caught more than once... you get the death penalty.

Pass a law that will seize all company assets if an employer willfully employs illegals... and I am talking about mitt's mansions here too. If that does not work... invade mexico and kill enough of them off until they get the message... and take their oil and resources before we wall them back up. I HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE FOR THESE MURDERING TURD WORLD, DISEASE RIDDEN SCUMBAG ENEMIES.

LLS

1,981 posted on 09/08/2011 4:53:05 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: antceecee
That is the letter and that's all there is.

Timeline is important. The letter is dated two months after the inauguration, 6 months before Hillary testified before congress and 8 months before legislation was introduced.

It's a conscientious elected official writing on behalf of his constituents as Hillary embarked on her healthcare reform task force.

Spinning it as support for what Hillary ultimately came up with is a lie of epic proportions.

1,982 posted on 09/08/2011 4:55:43 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: Dengar01; Impy; newzjunkey; onyx; DJ MacWoW; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj
RE :"OK I figured it out!!! After watching Rachel Madcow I figured out who her parents are!!! Big sis was impregnated with a turkey baster and 9 months later Rachel was born!!! I've never seen any uglier man in my life."

She has given many lectures since she got her MSNBC show after Air America went broke. Her economic stimulus lectures on how food stamps and welfare creates jobs are the best. This about sums it up.

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1,983 posted on 09/08/2011 4:56:23 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Over-taxed means 'paying too much in taxes', not zero taxes)
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To: gleeaikin
Socha security needs a bit of revamping.
Next year begin eligibility at 66, in three years 67,5 years 68, 7 years 69 and ten years from now make the eligible age 70.That alone will help a lot.Let rich guys pay at what ever their level but earn at whatever their level as well.
If you earn a million a year you will pay huge amounts but you should also collect huge amounts.
1,984 posted on 09/08/2011 4:59:14 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: bossmechanic
"The CERN study was just released like today. These people don’t track MMGW debates or eligibility debates or Fast and Furious etc. like alot of people here."

That is one reason why that stage represented the worst lineup of candidates representing the Conservative movement that the republicans have ever put forth... good thing that group is not static. ANY FREEPER acting as an adviser would have briefed their candidate on this most damning study. I knew about it 3 hours after it was released... no excuses at this level! They were not prepared... period.

Cain was the best last night... when he talked... he knew his answers from his heart. newt turned in the absolutely best performance... but so do many liberal actors.

LLS

1,985 posted on 09/08/2011 5:03:09 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: americanophile
I would disagree although Perry is not my first choice he clearly won the debate when he had the guts to go against the DBM host Brian Williams on the death penalty and he told the truth about SS.

None of the rest have that kind of guts---its called leadership. Few of the others except maybe Newt have it.

1,986 posted on 09/08/2011 5:04:18 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: The Bronze Titan
I think your EFFORTS in TRYING TO REFORM the nation’s HEALTHCARE SYSTEM are MOST COMMENDABLE!

I know you detest Rick Perry but you're grasping at straws.

This is the boilerplate letter and language of a professional person: "Thank you for doing X, please consider Y. Let me know if I can help."

1,987 posted on 09/08/2011 5:05:49 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: sickoflibs
Madcow, Hillary and DNC Debby all went to to the same college in dc, The Royal College of Dynasty Dykes,they all got degrees.
1,988 posted on 09/08/2011 5:08:07 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: logitech
When I think Newt is the best one... something is very,very wrong.

Nope. Newt is very smart. He has a lot of good ideas. His problem is that he is unreliable and that the 5% of the time when he is wrong, he is really scarily and frighteningly wrong. When he is right, no one is righter or knows better why he is right.

1,989 posted on 09/08/2011 5:09:04 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: FourtySeven
Perry supporters calling Palin supporters toxic is like sharpton calling obama a racist. There is plenty of blame to go around... and it is mostly isolated to a few over zealous members of this small community.

LLS

1,990 posted on 09/08/2011 5:10:32 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: logitech
Backs up my contention that this panel is the worst representation of the Conservative movement that the republicans have put forth in my lifetime.

LLS

1,991 posted on 09/08/2011 5:14:07 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: mewzilla

I saw this and thought i’d pass it along. I googled the Mankiw guy and he’s written so much on Keynes it’s scary.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/if-you-like-obamas-economic-team-youll-love-romneys/

Note:

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AFAA_enUS434US435&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=greg+mankiw+keynes

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AFAA_enUS434US435&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=greg+mankiw+obama

Since he just gave congrats to Krueger on being hired by Obama, a little about him as well:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kIVIN5aFWEUJ:www.businessinsider.com/9-political-beliefs-of-soon-to-be-head-economic-advisor-alan-krueger-2011-8+Jobs+killer+alan+krueger&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us#


1,992 posted on 09/08/2011 5:15:38 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Prayer flash mob 9/11.)
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To: rodguy911

-——None of the rest have that kind of guts——

Cain offered support and forced his way in to make the point. He also is fearless in making his points.

Perry did what he wanted. He captured the whole campaign and directed the discussion henceforth


1,993 posted on 09/08/2011 5:15:45 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: LibLieSlayer
I have been to Israel.

There are huge portions of the border with Jordan that have no wall -- just empty land between the two countries, and no land mines either. If Israel can leave parts of its border without a wall, I believe there are places in Texas that don't need walls either.

Saying Perry wants "open borders" is a non-starter. If you want to disagree with his approach to border control, fine. There are parts I don't like either.

No sense pretending he wants an open border with no restrictions though. That is an untruth.

1,994 posted on 09/08/2011 5:16:33 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Sheesh. Go away and stay away Newt.)
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To: Bikkuri
You know my FRiend... we will not have to write her name in... I can feel it in my bones... have faith.

LLS

1,995 posted on 09/08/2011 5:18:39 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: LibLieSlayer
I haven't chosen Parry or Palin to back at this point.

But to say that a conservative person, who talks about limited government and other conservative ideas, is toxic, to me just sounds silly.

Even if Palin decides not to run, her comments will be welcome by me as productive and good for the overall conservative movement.

I know it's an important election, but all this in-fighting over the two is very often disturbing to me. I saw it last time, and we eventually ended up with McCain for our efforts.

1,996 posted on 09/08/2011 5:18:39 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

So after all is said and done, Sarah, by not being there, is in a far better position than any of them.


1,997 posted on 09/08/2011 5:19:14 AM PDT by aloppoct (stucnsf)
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To: jerseyrocks
My favorite chrissy moment... NY republican convention... Zell Miller out front with chrissy doing an interview... chrissy pi$$es off Zell... Zell tells him, “You are one lucky fellow that they have outlawed dueling”. chrissy responded, “You don't mean that... do you”? Zell said, “I'd drop you right in the middle of that street”.

LLS

1,998 posted on 09/08/2011 5:23:35 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: oblomov

“Let me get this straight. You want to uncap the payroll tax, but leave benefits capped?”

You have me confused with another poster. (which is understandable in a thread this long :-)


1,999 posted on 09/08/2011 5:25:55 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: waus
There's no "kickbacks" there was a $6,000 donation in a $20 million campaign cycle.

If you look at the Gardasil FR threads from those days opposition fell largely into a couple camps: those who are anti-vaccine and those who believe the HPV vaccine was a commentary on the morals of their daughters.

You cannot have an effective opt-in vaccine health policy. The numbers of persons availing themselves are minuscule and do nothing for the public health. Insurance and gov't programs won't cover them. Mandatory vaccinations are nothing new. Neither is an opt-out policy.

Gardasil is so safe and effective it's been approved for males as well to combat several other cancers linked to the HPV strains it targets.

CDC says 7,500 U.S. men are newly diagnosed with HPV oral, genital or anal cancers yearly. CDC also says 12,000 American women are diagnosed with cervical cancer and 4,000 die each year.

I cannot imagine the world where you argue this is not a legitimate health issue when the vaccine can prevent 20,000 new cancer cases every year.

2,000 posted on 09/08/2011 5:32:21 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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