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(LIVE THREAD!) Republican Presidential Debate #4 - Sep. 7, 2011 8pm/5pm: Reagan Library, CA (MSNBC)
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Posted on 09/07/2011 1:53:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey

Broadcast on: MSNBC

Broadcast time: 8pm EDT/5pm PDT

The Candidates:

Michele Bachmann

Bachmann is serving her 3rd full term in the U.S. House. Founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, she earned a Master of Laws degree, worked as a tax attorney, and was a foster mother for 23 teenagers. She is a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Herman Cain

Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.

Newt Gingrich

Gingrich served as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999. He represented Georgia's 6th congressional district as a Republican member from 1979 to 1999. He has a PhD in modern European history.

Jon Huntsman

Huntsman was Utah Governor, former ambassador to China under Barack Obama.

Ron Paul

Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an ob-gyn and was Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008

Rick Perry

Perry is the three term governor of Texas, from 2000 to current. He is a retired Air Force captain for former farmer. He has a degree in animal science.

Mitt Romney

Romney was governor of Massachusetts (2003 to 2007) and former CEO of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican 2008 nomination for president. He has an MBA (Harvard) and JD (Harvard Law).

Rick Santorum

Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.

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To: advance_copy

he way to fix illegal immigration is to ban anyone who comes into our country illegally from ever becoming a citizen of the U.S. and therefore banned from ever voting.

Now there is an excellent post!!!!!


1,901 posted on 09/07/2011 9:11:55 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: mnehring
It was a dumb move and one of great concern to me. He overstepped making that brand new vaccine mandatory by executive order. There was absolutely no reason for it and it make me doubt his judgment. It was an imperious move, more reflective of a big government loving Democrat than a small government Republican.
1,902 posted on 09/07/2011 9:11:59 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Jane Long

No, he commended her effort in April, before we even knew about the closed door meetings with insurance execs. This was long before the hearings and outline of the plan in August, 1993. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/may96/background/health_debate_page1.html

We did know that she had an unprecedented power. Then-Agricultural Commissioner Perry asked her to remember his constituency and to call if he could help.


1,903 posted on 09/07/2011 9:13:51 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: newzjunkey

I use the information in the following link to determine who I will vote for in the primary:

http://freedomkeys.com/collectivism.htm

Whomever follows the “individualism” examples the most gets my vote.


1,904 posted on 09/07/2011 9:14:15 PM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH
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To: caww
There's little he can do now tat is going to change how people are thinking.

Agreed. I told someone else last night who was worried about his Billion dollar war chest, that the people aren't going to vote the candidate's pocketbooks - they're going to vote their own.

The economy is the ONLY issue right now, and it's Obama's Achille's Heel. That's why the MSNBC moderators never brought up the biggest subject on the planet tonight. Their messiah's record on the economy is completely indefensible, and they know it.

...this guys not done yet and he's going to be revengeful I think.

Look out for what he tries to do when he officially becomes a lame duck pResident.

1,905 posted on 09/07/2011 9:15:22 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: waus; newzjunkey; KansasGirl; exit82

What kickbacks? And remember that Perry raised $20 million in campaign donations that year.

Private insurance won’t pay for “opt in” vaccines. Medicaid, CHIP, Indian Health Services and Vaccines for Children were already paying for Gardasil.

http://wingright.org/2011/08/07/dose-of-reason-perry-and-gardasil/


1,906 posted on 09/07/2011 9:16:01 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: Spunky
You must have lost a day somewhere. Speaker Boenar got him to change it to the 8th.

Yea, I did. Thanks for reminding me...but I'mm be working so just as glad not to hear bozo...recaps do well for me.


1,907 posted on 09/07/2011 9:19:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: JulieRNR21
The want the DNC to use the Ponzi Scheme remark against Perry.

Let the liberal outlets push Rick Perry's ponzi stand. It will only win Perry some votes from our younger generation that are sick and tired of paying into that ponzi scheme knowing they will never get anything out of it.

Get the ponzi word out there - lose a few socialists but get more of the younger voters

1,908 posted on 09/07/2011 9:19:19 PM PDT by casinva ((Perry/Rubio 2012) or (Perry/Santorum 2012) or (Perry/Cain 2012))
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To: antceecee

The Vaccines for Children program made the vaccine free of charge to Medicaid, CHIPS, any girl not covered by insurance or whose insurance did not cover vaccines.

I wonder why your announcement covered 1-3 of the EO, but not the 4th paragraph, which made it easier to opt out of vaccines by making the request for the official paperwork available over the internet?


1,909 posted on 09/07/2011 9:23:23 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: CaptainK

Hepatitis B is only spread through blood and body fluids, yet we give babies the vaccine when they’re born.
One third of people who contract Hep B, develop chronic Hep B. Half of them will end up with cirrhosis and liver cancer.


1,910 posted on 09/07/2011 9:26:20 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

In reading several of the umpteen gardasil threads here, I learned that if any vaccine is mandated, it is covered by medicaid (under whatever TX state name). If it’s not mandated, the patients/parents have to pay for it. As I understand it, getting the vaccine at your doc’s is upwards of $300. The problem, of course, is that the poor, i.e., medicaid-insured, are those most likely to be susceptible to contracting the disease.

There is the argument to be made (as it has) that a vaccine encourages the behavior. I wouldn’t say it encourages the behavior, which would be conducted in any case. Perhaps having a vaccine paid by the state condones the behavior. But not having the vaccine would not stop it, and there would be a high incidence of what I understand is a truly hideous disease.


1,911 posted on 09/07/2011 9:27:41 PM PDT by EDINVA ( Jimmy McMillan '12: because RENT'S TOO DAMN HIGH)
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To: hocndoc
Again as I have previously stated:

In a free country, why would someone have to sign an “opt-out” to keep the government out of your daughter’s sex life? How in the world is government interference in a personal medical issue conservative? It's not, and you know it! As an adult parent "I" make the choices for my daughter's well-being NOT you and NOT PERRY! I don't care if they sent the slip for opt-out home for me to sign on a golden platter - IT IS NOT THEIR RIGHT TO DETERMINE THAT MY CHILD IS AUTOMATICALLY OPTED IN!

Explain to me how infringing on personal liberty and privacy is conservative and while your at it point out to me in the Constitution what gives government this right.

1,912 posted on 09/07/2011 9:33:02 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: South40

At least Aunt Clara would be more coherent than the Punk or RuPaul. Uncle Arthur for Veep!


1,913 posted on 09/07/2011 9:35:28 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("And your oarsman stands with his knife in hand, and his eyes spell 'Mutiny'" Al Stewart)
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To: !1776!
Nobody knocked it out of the part. The moderators and moderation were awful and in my opinion did their best to marginalize every candidate that was on stage.

Well being a first debate for perry it was no surprise the camera was on him...and Romney the MSNBC's favorite. It was there show after all.

But no candidate was about to give much for the talking heads at MSNBC, nor te moderators as far as that goes. They all knew tey were on 'enemy territory' who controlled it for the most part. They' weren't going to give anymore than necessary into the hands of Goo-dough or her side kicks to use their daggers on. I wouldn't have either. I think the idea was to maintain and lay pretty low....and they did so.

It'll be a different picture when they get on their own turf!

1,914 posted on 09/07/2011 9:39:56 PM PDT by caww
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To: upsdriver

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45964


1,915 posted on 09/07/2011 9:40:17 PM PDT by Genyous
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To: Dengar01
Why republicans would go on a debate hosted by MSNBC would like me going to a Satanic Cult for a Christian Concert...

Exactly...and you wouldn't say much there either, neither did the candidates.

1,916 posted on 09/07/2011 9:48:25 PM PDT by caww
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To: Windflier

Try a Perry thread.


1,917 posted on 09/07/2011 9:54:42 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Genyous

Thanks for that link! It went into my Sarah for President file. Great article with lots of wonderful comments following.


1,918 posted on 09/07/2011 9:56:10 PM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Windflier
You either don't hang out here much, or you're being dishonest. I can produce a dozen flaming replies to me from Perry supporters at the drop of a hat.

So produce them, with links. Please.
1,919 posted on 09/07/2011 9:57:35 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: antceecee

Didn’t accuse you of lying. You perpetuate the lies out there or completely distort issues. You do that because you have your own agenda.

BTW...Since you are accusing Perry of taking rights away would you mind backing that up with your source please. You do have one don’t you? Because you don’t lie so I’m sure that statement can be carved in stone.


1,920 posted on 09/07/2011 10:03:52 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Palin/Perry, Perry/Palin, Palin or Perry, Perry or Palin 2012....Any Questions?)
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