Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 08/25/2011 5:33:40 AM PDT by magellan
CERN's 8,000 scientists may not be able to find the hypothetical Higgs boson, but they have made an important contribution to climate physics, prompting climate models to be revised.
The first results from the lab's CLOUD ("Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets") experiment published in Nature today confirm that cosmic rays spur the formation of clouds through ion-induced nucleation. Current thinking posits that half of the Earth's clouds are formed through nucleation. The paper is entitled Role of sulphuric acid, ammonia and galactic cosmic rays in atmospheric aerosol nucleation.
This has significant implications for climate science because water vapour and clouds play a large role in determining global temperatures. Tiny changes in overall cloud cover can result in relatively large temperature changes.
Unsurprisingly, it's a politically sensitive topic, as it provides support for a "heliocentric" rather than "anthropogenic" approach to climate change: the sun plays a large role in modulating the quantity of cosmic rays reaching the upper atmosphere of the Earth.
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Climate models will have to be revised, confirms CERN in supporting literature:
"[I]t is clear that the treatment of aerosol formation in climate models will need to be substantially revised, since all models assume that nucleation is caused by these vapours [sulphuric acid and ammonia] and water alone."
(Excerpt) Read more at theregister.co.uk ...
algore needs to return his nobel “prize” money....and michael moore needs to be spanked.
There are too many variables in the formation and depletion of water vapor to reliably model.
Don’t talk to me about computing power.
We don’t know enough about the variables to model predictions.
but, but ... the science was settled! AlGore told us so. Why are these “rogue” scientists still conducting experiments? It’s a plot, I tell ya.
I recall a smart Eastern European scientist pointing this out for years — that cosmic rays an related solar radiation are key drivers of cloud formation.
Poor guy was * figuratively* jumping up and down shouting trying to get the clowns at IPCC to seriously consider his work.
Can you say vindication?
There are those that stand to make a fortune off of AGW.
There are those that stand to gain power over AGW.
There are those that use AGW to advance communism.
And all of the above prey on poor, ignorant leftist/humanists’ desires to “matter” by “saving the erf”.
*bump*
Sounds like this process might make a terrible mess in your undies.
Various folks have been trying to point out the connection between cosmic rays, cloud formation, and global temperature for years.
There’s a reason why the device used to detect cosmic rays is called a “cloud chamber”.
Of course, I haven’t checked with Al Gore yet, so maybe we’re all missing something.
(By the way, a (probably *the*) major factor in determing the flux of cosmic rays impinging on the earth is solar activity, which modifies the magnetosphere that partially screens the earth from those cosmic rays)
(As you’ve pointed out in some detail with the link you posted while I was composing my reply!)
I´ve heard this before.
Toss the climate models and work on one good economic model to test the effects of taxation and regulation. That would actually be fun to play with and educational for all. Scientists would discover the sweet spot for maximizing their government funding is with lower taxes and regulation, not from socialism.
Who is that scientist?
One way to neuter the EPA is to require them to provide reports on the human and economic impacts of any proposed policy, and then get approval from Congress before implementing it.
As it is, they are specifically excluded from economic impact requirements before dictating environmental policy.
OMG, there is a sun influencing our weather, who would have thought that something that puts out the energy of 530,158,730,158,730,159 Hiroshima's PER DAY in energy might have an affect on us?
Wow, they figured out that something yielding 530 Quadrillion, 158 trillion, 730 billion, 158 million, 730 thousand, 159 Hiroshima's per day might influence it's surroundings?
You know, that's sort of a large number, so lets make it smaller and look at output PER SECOND: 6,136,096,413,874 Hiroshima's. That's a little better, per second the sun ONLY puts out a measly 6 trillion Hiroshima's.
Yeah, we humans are soooo important and our impact on the earth, even the solar system and universe is so enormous! Big fat environmentalist/socialist heads filled with hot air, that's all global warming is.
Credit where credit is due, it was a Swedish guy named
Svensmark in his self created “cloud chamber”
His idea was that when solar activity is low (few sun spots), our sun’s magnetic field doesn’t protect the earth as much and this resulted in more cosmic rays reaching earth’s atmosphere which made more clouds.
This paper in Nature bolsters that case that it is the sun’s activity that explains global warming much more than CO2.
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