Posted on 07/29/2011 5:50:43 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
The Senate voted to kill a House-approved bill to raise the debt ceiling, leaving the ball in the court of Senate leadership to produce a deficit reduction bill, with just days before the Aug. 2 deadline. The vote was 59-41.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid followed through on his promise to kill the bill, pushed through the House a day late by House Speaker John Boehner. The White House, which has thrown its weight behind a Reid proposal, had promised to veto the bill had it miraculously passed the Senate.
The Senate also killed the Cut, Cap, Balance Act last Friday and has yet to vote on a formal proposal. Having passed two proposals and with little appetite and time to attempt another bill, the House now waits to act on a Senate bill.
“I stuck my neck out a mile to get an agreement with the president of the United States,” Boehner thundered from the floor after the vote. “It’s time for the administration and time for our colleagues across the aisle to put something on the table. Tell us where you are!”
Brad Dayspring, spokesman for House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, announced via Twitter that the House will vote on Reid’s plan Saturday to show that it is “not capable of passing.” First votes are expected to begin at 1 p.m.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/29/senate-kills-boehner-debt-ceiling-plan/#ixzz1TXnnsS3V
Well it's taken me all day but I finally got a handle on it. If you don't mind I shall use your axiom above to build on my thoughts.
I agree that the CCB is the best course of action. This bill, already passed by the House then tabled by the senate as they so love to do, CAPS the debt ceiling, CUTS taxes and commands a balanced federal budget.
I don't think a CAP of the debt ceiling is going to happen now but again, I sure think it could pass and I don't believe the world will end or implode if it did.
Second time Boehner sends over a bill that has NO balanced budget ammendment requirement in it but does NOT allow any increase in revenues. The Tea Party guys said no, yes they did. They wanted, like you, for the senate to vote on the CCB bill they already passed but by Boehner and the rest of the Blue Bloods, even sending that thing to the senate was an exercise in futility, in indulgence to the Tea Party types, now be good and go away...Boehner gives pat on head.
Only the Tea Party types said, hell no we're not going away. If you're not going to put a cap in the debt limit, at LEAST put back in the balanced budget requirement. So the Tea Party types said, for 67% of the American people favor a required balanced budget and why on earth wouldn't they?
So Boehner puts the Balance budget back in and picks up barely enough Tea Party types to get it passed. The Senate then votes to table THIS vote because we surely don't want a balanced budgets. Balancing budgets would require that we show the American people how we plan on spending their money and this will not do. Of course the fine senators really can't vote AGAINST the balanced budget because comes time for election how they gonna justify voting against something we all must do in our homes?
Now don't go telling me about how balancing the budget is frought with traps or giving me that GOP Blue Blood Ruling Class elite argument that it's just too difficult to balance the federal budget. Think how the American people view this and stop thinking in silly esoteric political terms for this action done by every business and household in America.
For Americans think that the feds should balance a budget and the concept that our gubmint should just spend whatever they want without any prethought or plan just is anti-economic, anti-common sense, anti-American.
The Tea Party types stood their ground. I'm cautiously optimistic that there looms a large victory, that the Republican spines of rubber were made stronger by those who did what they were elected to do.
They mocked us and called us schizophrenic and trolls and Al Queda and terrorists.
All for wanting the gubmint to have to present a balanced budget.
Ok I've rambled, but it really doesn't look like CCB has a chance. But that intriguing little thing that's now in the senate is a real thorn, and complete surprise, to the political world who simply are not used to dealing with people of principles. It has them stymied.
Oh, bullshiite Muslims. If you really think Hussein is looking good to the American people throughout this whole stinking debacle, you’re deluded.
I know Boehner and McConnell don’t have everything it takes to be shove Hussein’s policies into the dirt, but the magic that Kenyan Communist had in 2008 is GONE.
His cult thought it had returned after his football spike over Osama—but they were wrong. Most folks recognized he was self-aggrandizing when he had merely continued Bush’s policies, and that the Navy Seals were the REAL heroes.
No, Boehner and McConnell aren’t going to be embraced—but they aren’t going to be the objects of rejection and ridicule by Joe Sixpack, either.
Hussein will be the one who is joked about and laughed at—the constantly shrinking occupant of the Oval Office.
This had to be some kind of Democrat stunt and Reps just called their bluff.
Still hoping no compromise is reached and the govt is forced to live on what it takes in.
Six Republicans joined Democrats to table the Boehner resolution were Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Orrin Hatch (Utah), Mike Lee (Utah), Rand Paul (Ky.), and David Vitter (La.).
I’ll not quote you but I will say that I think you are one hundred percent correct...one thousand percent even.
Six Republicans joined Democrats to table the Boehner resolution were Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Orrin Hatch (Utah), Mike Lee (Utah), Rand Paul (Ky.), and David Vitter (La.).
The conservatives need to mount a new tactic to amend the constitution to enact The Balanced Budget amendment. Bypass the Congress as we will never get 2/3 vote for it there...too damn many dumbocrats... Therefore go to the states...Two-thirds of the state legislatures ask Congress to call a national convention to propose the amendment.
The states have to balance their budgets let the constitution put the same restraint on the fools we’ve elected. And whoever thought that the same group of dimwits who got us into this position would pass meaningful legislation to solve the problem are dumber than dirt in the first place.
So while we are passing the BBA lets pass a simultaneous “throw them all out” term limit amendment also !
I could live with that. But you know that attitude will have them bending in pretzels to figure how to "take in" more money?
Vitter is solid conservative and probably voted against it for the same reason Paul and DeMint did.
Sniff, sniff. I smell RINOs. I want names.
I don’t know who voted against it from the R side but it’s possible some conservatives who thought it wasn’t conservative enough voted against it, no?
If I recall correctly, at least one Republican has to vote to table a bill in order to ever bring it up again. Bob Dole used to do this all the time. He would even change his vote at the last minute.
I think there is something to Teapartyers holding out to add BBA to Boner2 so that the Senate would not have a bill passed by the House that didn't have BBA in it. Why Boner tried to get one passed I don't know, but he may have had some kind of deal going with Reid and the TPers just won't trust Reid or Obama. Why should they?
There are rules and procedures and strategies that we and our pundit friends don't understand. Some things are afoot. Below the radar, people are still working their plans.
This ain't over, by a long shot. We will just have to wait and see. The pundits have shown their IGNORANCE, not their slips, leg, or brains.
That could not be one percent more true.
D.C. is just a bunch of cliques.
A national convention would be used to destroy the 1st and 2nd Amendments, gut the 5th, neuter the 10th, and ensconce gay rights and abortion rights as Constitutional.
Go back to DU.
Yeah, I checked your signup date. You're still wrong.
Yea. I kind of figured the deal was done.
They were just trying to figure out the propaganda
to be used in the aftermath.
No doubt we are getting screwed.
The only way to get this madness under control is for the states
to reign in the federal government through a constitutional convention.
Or for individual states like Texas to secede.
I’m not sure how else we may preserve liberty.
I agree that Obama is looking bad here. But that’s why I’m fine with this Boehner bill passing and some type of compromise with no tax increases getting done.
The real prize is getting back the White House so that you can use the power of the executive branch to loosen the EPA, not enforce Obama care, deregulate business to get things moving again, etc, etc.
Obama is on the process of self destructing so I don’t want the GOP to stand in his way. If a Boehner or Reid compromise deal passes any credit won’t go to Obama. But if we do have a full shutdown, Obama will start playing games with the social security checks and start riling up his base. I want Obama’s base to get riled up after the November 2012 elections when they realize Obama is out.
Yup...and set about punishing the Tea Party ‘renegades.’
The good news for Bonehead: at least he won’t have to work hard
at punishing 57 of them, since the majority of the 57 have already turned. He’s only got to punish about 20 of them now.
Bonehead must think he’s died and gone to Heaven. He gets a fresh batch of Tea Partiers to turn every election cycle and doesn’t have to lift a finger. Bonehead should be Thanking the Tea Party for sending fresh meat to turn every two years.
” markknoller Mark Knoller
Reid said GOP not negotiating in good faith. He then suggested the absence of a quorum and left the Chamber. (Maybe the pizza arrived.) “
LOL!!
Per Greta, Manchin (D) says he will not vote for Reid plan.
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