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To: mardi59
I didn't see anything offensive. I used to room with a Mormon back in the '80's, and those are indeed all tenets of the faith. I'm not sure why, but I've heard some Mormons more recently trying to "walk back" (deny) some of that stuff (I guess like the whole Mormon faith did their belief up until the 1970's that "blacks" or "negroes" were the people the Bible referred to as having "the mark of the Devil" on them).

Needless to say, all Mormons are definitely very different from scriptural Christians, and their "Book" that was "translated" with the help of "peep stones" finds them among what many believe to be a rather select group of monstrously deluded religious fruitcakes.

And as you so aptly put, The Lord is watching. Amen.

8^D

28 posted on 07/09/2011 7:21:54 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Palin 2012 ~ Going Oval")
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To: Gargantua

Amen indeed. The Lord will help us through this. I trust and believe His loving hand will guide us all.


30 posted on 07/09/2011 7:26:44 PM PDT by mardi59 (Lord is listening, and He will remember.)
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To: Gargantua
(I guess like the whole Mormon faith did their belief up until the 1970's that "blacks" or "negroes" were the people the Bible referred to as having "the mark of the Devil" on them).





 

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



 

August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)




55 posted on 07/09/2011 8:16:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Gargantua
(I guess like the whole Mormon faith did their belief up until the 1970's that "blacks" or "negroes" were the people the Bible referred to as having "the mark of the Devil" on them).

Oh?

I'd sure like to see WHERE in the BIBLE that is located!

57 posted on 07/09/2011 8:17:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Gargantua
Needless to say, all Mormons are definitely very different from scriptural Christians, and their "Book" that was "translated" with the help of "peep stones" finds them among what many believe to be a rather select group of monstrously deluded religious fruitcakes.

Well said.

193 posted on 07/10/2011 8:38:59 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: Gargantua

I agree, they just have weird beliefs. I know, because I was a member of the Mormon church, converted at age 13 now I’m 54. If they would read the Bible as faithfully as they do the Book of Mormon, and quit thinking that “the Bible is the word of God as far as it is translated correctly.” their 8th Article of Faith.” they would find the truth. They need to read all 26 volumes of “History of the Church”, The many volumes of the Journal of Discourses, to find out the true doctrines that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught in the 1st “restored” Church of 1830, and how each prophets aquired their positions. They would find quotes like this by Oliver B. Huntington,in the Young Woman’s Journal, which “was adopted as the official magazine for the Young Ladies Mutual Improvement Association in 1897.”

“The inhabitants of the moon are more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the earth, being about 6 feet in height. They dress very much like the Quaker style and are quite general in style or the one fashion of dress. They live to be very old; coming generally, near a thousand years. This is the description of them as given by Joseph the Seer, and he could ‘See’ whatever he asked the Father in the name of Jesus to see”

Brigham Young taught that the SUN was inhabited.
Read all here: http://mormoninfo.org/moon-sun-inhabited

And thats just the TIP of the iceburg!
A year ago I started my own research after hearing some weird stuff. Prophets who “divined from God” the information that the sun and moon are inhabited, that God was first a man and then attained the exaulted state of a God. That God came down to earth as a “man” with body parts, to physically conceive Christ with Mary. Oh yes, they believe all this. Needless to say, I left, never to return. It’s a pity that they are so brain washed into believing all this including that thier prophet today Thomas S. Monson is a true prophet of God, even though he was appointed to the office by man and not by God, and they all sustain his as such.
Numbers 12:1-6 When choosing a prophet, God appears to him in a vision or a dream. Mortal man can not appoint a prophet and he can not get it through seccession or by inheritence.


421 posted on 07/10/2011 10:43:21 PM PDT by Exie
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