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My take on the New Hampshire debate
Washington Examiner ^ | June 13, 2011 | Michael Barone

Posted on 06/14/2011 3:57:29 AM PDT by gusopol3

Bottom line. This was a New Hampshire debate, but it has serious ramifications for Iowa as well. I have disparaged the idea that Romney is the frontrunner; I continue to think that given the polls no one is the frontrunner. But Romney behaved like a frontrunner tonight, one with confidence and sense of command and with the adroitness to step aside from two major issue challenges (Romneycare, his various views on abortion) he faces. Romney has wisely eschewed the Iowa caucuses this time, leaving as two major competitors there Pawlenty (from next door Minnesota and a genuine religious conservative) and Bachmann (not only from next door Minnesota but also born and raised in Iowa). Presumably they will both be competing not only in the Iowa precinct caucuses, but in the August 13 Iowa Republican straw poll in Ames. I think Bachmann emerged from this debate a more serious competitor and Pawlenty not a stronger one than he was before.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; barone; debate; newhampshire; nh2012; republican
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1 posted on 06/14/2011 3:57:33 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

I watched only the last hour or so. Were there any economic questions during the first hour?


2 posted on 06/14/2011 3:59:46 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: gusopol3

Bachmann wins from this analysis; she proved she can hold her own.


3 posted on 06/14/2011 3:59:55 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Madame President was not there, and only
Gov. Pawlenty supported her.

Winner: Pawlenty.

Losers: RINO-backstabbers Romney and Bachmann-Rollins.


4 posted on 06/14/2011 4:02:32 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: Diogenesis

This is all Kabuki theater...we have a one party system...the Washington DC party. The leftwing is in power now...they drive us hard left...when the rightwing comes in they find excuses to keep the gains the left made last time. Remember the promises the GOP made to repeal the lightbulb ban a few short months ago?

System is a joke.


5 posted on 06/14/2011 4:15:23 AM PDT by kjo
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To: kjo

You knocked it out of the park ! Dittos !


6 posted on 06/14/2011 4:23:37 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: gusopol3

I ignored this debate for several reasons:

It was to see, for the most part, if the back benchers in Double A were promoted to Triple A.

The big dogs weren’t there.

And a little dog wasn’t included: NM gov was left off. No idea why, but it wasn’t cool. He’s an announced candidate. I don’t dig this kind of “inside baseball.” He should have been included.

Once I heard how John King made all kinds of noises during the candidate’s answers, I was happy that I spent my evening watching the Tribe knock off the Yanks on ESPN, with a knucklecrunching score of 1-0 for the good guys. ;)


7 posted on 06/14/2011 4:25:08 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: kjo

If voting could change the system, it would be illegal.


8 posted on 06/14/2011 4:25:48 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: gusopol3

I was hoping Cain would stand out again, but he didn’t speak with same flair he did in the first debate. Sorta did a Fred Thompson in this one


9 posted on 06/14/2011 4:36:27 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: gusopol3

The GOP candidate will be chosen by some Republicans, some Independents and disgruntled Democrats. That’s the facts. It happens every 4 years. Don’t like it? Take it up with all the open primary states.


10 posted on 06/14/2011 4:36:33 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: NavyCanDo
I was hoping Cain would stand out again, but he didn’t speak with same flair he did in the first debate. Sorta did a Fred Thompson in this one

Yeah I was disappointed too. Saying we have to understand the real problem for every question got a little old as did enumerating every answer.

11 posted on 06/14/2011 4:38:55 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Daisyjane69

John King and CNN were the big losers. He obviously could not even pretend to respect the candidates. The only winner, I thought, was Newt who refused to answer some of his questions.


12 posted on 06/14/2011 4:40:55 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: kjo
This is all Kabuki theater...we have a one party system...the Washington DC party. The leftwing is in power now...they drive us hard left...when the rightwing comes in they find excuses to keep the gains the left made last time. Remember the promises the GOP made to repeal the lightbulb ban a few short months ago?

Worth repeating. Which is why we need to consider finding a third party to become a serious opposition party.
13 posted on 06/14/2011 4:42:57 AM PDT by Antoninus (Fair warning to the GOP--nominate a RINO and I'm going 3rd party.)
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To: gusopol3

I came away thinking what a terrible debator Romney was compared to the others.


14 posted on 06/14/2011 4:46:26 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Antoninus

Yes...it is becoming self evident that a third party is the only way to go. Electing Republicans does nothing about the essential problem of debt and taxes. Let’s stop pretending it does.

Electing the GOP somewhat slows the growth of government, but only somewhat. It’s not good enough anymore. We are going over a cliff.

In 1854 the Republican party became sectional, and soon national in opposition to the passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which opened the West to slavery. Men like Lincoln, Seward, and Fremont said “enough”...something similar has to happen today.

Still looking for a Lincoln or a Reagan. Gotta be out there somewhere.


15 posted on 06/14/2011 4:53:39 AM PDT by kjo
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To: Antoninus
I still prefer storming the ramparts of the repugnican/demonrat castle to building our own.

These guys have set in stone a bunch of rules to benefit each other - hence the one-party ruling class - creating a redoubt impenetrable to third parties.

We must capture one of the parties in the primaries to gain entrance.

16 posted on 06/14/2011 5:07:20 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (The Sixteenth Amendment - a.k.a. - The Slavery Amendment)
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To: Daisyjane69

re: Once I heard how John King made all kinds of noises during the candidate’s answers

What a distraction. Has anyone said what was going on? He was bad enough to listen to when he spoke, but I was really annoyed by the constant sounds while the candidates were speaking.

I had never heard of, let alone seen John King. Probably because I avoid CNN at all cost. What a pompous ass. So typical of the MSM.

I am so tired of the lefties/MSM doing most of the debates. I want to hear what the candidates have to say, not what the moderator thinks.


17 posted on 06/14/2011 5:07:31 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (I would rather lose with Sarah/West than win with a any RINO!)
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To: kjo
Still looking for a Lincoln or a Reagan. Gotta be out there somewhere.

Men like this are too rare to save us in time, this one's on us.

18 posted on 06/14/2011 5:09:14 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (The Sixteenth Amendment - a.k.a. - The Slavery Amendment)
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To: gusopol3

What we saw on TV was six traveling snake oil salesmen and M.Bachmann, the only viable candidate,of the seven, for President of the United States.

It’s Bachmann and/or Palin in November. Or Palin and/or Bachmann.


19 posted on 06/14/2011 5:10:51 AM PDT by chainsaw (I'd hate to be a democrat running against Sarah Palin.)
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To: kjo

The losers at any cost are out early. My view or no view is crazy.

Such a view illustrates ignorance of what can be and what can not be.

The decisions are made within two parties, not 3 or 15


20 posted on 06/14/2011 5:12:13 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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