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1 posted on 05/28/2011 1:50:06 AM PDT by petitfour
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A lot more assertions, anyway.


2 posted on 05/28/2011 2:07:17 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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Over 71 rounds and only 22 hit?

Trigger-happy AND poor shots. A bad combination.


3 posted on 05/28/2011 2:13:29 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (To view the FR@Alabama ping list, click on my profile!)
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22 wounds? Well then, that makes it OK.

No drugs or large amounts of cash were found inside Jose Guerena's home, but detectives seized a Colt .38-caliber handgun, paperwork, tax returns including one with Jose and Graciela Celaya's name, insurance papers, bank statements and a bank card, reports show. Another report said detectives found body armor in a hallway closet and a U.S. Border Patrol hat in the garage.

Yep. He clearly was a drug lord, who had finished a 12-hour shift in a mine.

If SWAT could spin any harder, then they would be SWATting themselves.

4 posted on 05/28/2011 2:16:21 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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Can't anyone in this country serve a warrant any more without the SWAT team kicking in the door? Shouldn't a USMC veteran with no criminal record be given the benefit of the doubt rather than being seen as a potential threat? Did any of the SWAT team members have a cellphone they could have used to just call the guy first?

Based on what's out so far, this is just total BS and they're trying to cover their butts for making a bad call in a situation they should never have created in the first place. Damn, if he had a regular job they could have served him a warrant any time they wanted right at his job. Or, would they have needed a SWAT team to do that as well?

7 posted on 05/28/2011 2:29:58 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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Gee....if they knew that, seems like there could have been enough time to get some legal judge-issued warrants, shouldn't there?
8 posted on 05/28/2011 2:30:58 AM PDT by Gaffer
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• 9:33 a.m., Jose and Graciela Celaya's house, 6200 block of West Oklahoma Street. Most of the cash and drugs that detectives seized were found here, where Alejandro Guerena's wife, Pauline, and child were found, along with Graciela Celaya, two unidentified women and another child.

Pauline Guerena let detectives inside the home, where they found a large shoebox under a bed containing about $94,000, a bag of marijuana in the stove, ammunition, an AK-47 rifle, other guns and bulletproof vests. Seven vehicles were found at the residence and drug-sniffing dogs alerted officers to the smell of narcotics on most of the vehicles.

That's quite a bit of money but it's not illegal to own it AFAIK. So this is where they found "most of the drugs" and that is described as "a bag of marijuana in the stove." A trash bag full? A gallon baggie full? A quart ziplock? A snack-sized ziplock?

Of course the obligatory media report of an AK-47 with no mention of whether it's full-auto (legal with proper paperwork) or a semi-auto which is very common and legal with no special permit required.

The drug-sniffing dog alerted to "narcotics" in "most of the vehicles." Given that 90% of all paper currency has detectable amounts of cocaine on it that's not particularly notable. Do those dogs tell their handlers which "narcotic" they are alerting to? One bark for pot, two barks for crack, three for meth?

11 posted on 05/28/2011 3:02:08 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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I suspected this story was going to turn out badly for Cop Haters and the otherwise well meaning FReepers being used a tools to further their legalize drugs agenda.
12 posted on 05/28/2011 3:10:58 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama can't see something pure like the truth without wanting to abort it.)
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The raid netted drugs, large amounts of cash, bulletproof vests, about 30 cellphones and a stolen vehicle, records show, but no arrests have been made.

How do you square that statement with the accusation of drug distribution?

I think all this says is that Dupnik is a buffoon.

25 posted on 05/28/2011 4:00:01 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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And while initial reports were that doctors told the Guerena family that Jose had been shot 60 times, the Pima County medical examiner's preliminary report says he was shot 22 times.

I'm glad they lead with that. Well, that convinces me. The police did the right thing.

31 posted on 05/28/2011 4:16:56 AM PDT by Fido969
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> And while initial reports were that doctors told the
> Guerena family that Jose had been shot 60 times, the Pima
> County medical examiner’s preliminary report says he was
> shot 22 times.

Oh, that makes me feel a whole lot better.
/s


32 posted on 05/28/2011 4:22:14 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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Medical Examiner's Office state that Guerena died from 22 gunshot wounds

Actually that does not mean that he was only shot 22 times. It means that 22 of the rounds that hit him were considered to have been lethal. Perhaps he was only hit by 22 rounds. The statement does not say that, though.

68 posted on 05/28/2011 5:28:22 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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I confess I have not been following this story closely. However, I had the impression this was another “oops, wrong house” SWAT raid. That apparently wasn’t the case.


100 posted on 05/28/2011 6:05:58 AM PDT by blau993
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The raid netted drugs, large amounts of cash, bulletproof vests, about 30 cellphones and a stolen vehicle, records show, but no arrests have been made.

Sounds like a huge success. At least they can use the money for MORE weapons and MORE assets to continue their war on drugs.

107 posted on 05/28/2011 6:33:35 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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119 posted on 05/28/2011 7:48:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is in print and on Kindle.)
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define “connection”


122 posted on 05/28/2011 7:59:52 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Tough enough to have survived the end of the world)
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Oh, this explains why they had to murder the Iraq vet. Family members were involved in drugs! All family members of criminals should be executed by the cops./s/

Given his family members were into the drug trade explains why he freaked out with the house invasion. He, however, worked as a miner and could have been picked up at his job site at any time.

Glad to see he was only hit by 27 of the 70 bullets shot at him. That takes care of the claim it was overkill./s/


123 posted on 05/28/2011 8:00:21 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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Jose had a clean record.

No evidence was found connected to any criminal activity.

He had some bad family elements.

Appears like this is one member of the family who tried to elevate himself from the crap he grew up in and was murdered for it.


125 posted on 05/28/2011 8:05:09 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Tough enough to have survived the end of the world)
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D’oh.. he was only shot 22 times?


141 posted on 05/28/2011 9:13:52 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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"and a U.S. Border Patrol hat in the garage."

THIS is the "piece of a law enforcement uniform" they've been talking about?!?!? You can buy that at any Circle K in the state!

156 posted on 05/28/2011 9:44:27 AM PDT by moehoward
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It does not surprise me. They tried this lie, it not fly. They tried that lie, it did not fly. Now they have found something that resonates , they are going to jump on it with both feet. No telling what threats that they have made against his widow.They took his life and now they are working on murdering his character. I do not like it but I don't have to live there. And if the people in Pima County olerate and condone it, eventually, something of the same genre is going to hit them.

The only thing coming from them that would surprise me would be the truth.

In closing, I would say that life goes on, decent individuals still get sick when they hear or read about incidents and jackboot lickers will continue to have sexual orgasms as thet defend their masters between licks.

But, incidents of this type will be ocurring more frequently.

194 posted on 05/28/2011 10:26:35 AM PDT by sport
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