You're forged! Trump declares Obama's birth certificate fake

World Net Daily ^ | May 25, 2011 | WND

[conservativegramma]

Billionaire businessman Donald Trump, who staged a weeks-long public campaign questioning Barack Obama's eligibility to be president during March and April – and rose to the top of the pool of potential candidates for the 2012 GOP nomination then as a result – says he believes the "birth certificate" released by the White House is forged.... Trump said his period of almost-complete silence on the issue following the release by the White House on April 27 of the image of a "Certificate of Live Birth" from the state of Hawaii was not because he was satisfied with the document....

During their conversation, Trump told Corsi his own computer expert told him at the release that it was a computer-generated document.

[GunRunner]

I didn't claim to be all knowing or all seeing. I said download the Adobe apps and try it for yourself.

It's not unreasonable.

[Texas Fossil]

Yep, Abrecrombie is a burned out pothead.

Yep, he would have produced it in 5 minutes if it had existed.

The most plausible explanation is that the “abstract” is from a late application for a COLB that was never approved because of lack of required documentation of the birth. Some say it only showed up when they changed the programming to include applications and not just approved COLB records.

My thought is that SAD got knocked up. Found a patsy to play father for money (paid for by real father). Then grandma found a sympathetic Dr. friend who filled out the late application for COLB, before she went away to have the baby near her Aunt in Washington State. I think she had the baby across town and across the border in Canada. That way after she had the baby and decided to keep him SAD simply called grandma and told her to have the Dr. file the paperwork. This would solve the transportation issue concerning the birth and the presence in Seattle soon after.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Corsi lied? No way. /s

Why y’all still believe anything WND says is beyond me. They’ve mislead y’all for three years. They get your hopes up with an article like this where the key point is totally inaccurate. The first time this article was published, Corsi didn’t assert that Trump said the BC was a forgery. Apparently, the article didn’t generate the response he wanted. So he revised the article two or three days later to include a “statement” from Trump. Now that Trump has said Corsi got it wrong, Corsi will do one of two things. He’ll either say that he misunderstood Trump and wasn’t lying or he’ll suggest that Trump “has been gotten to” or is working for Obama.

[conservativegramma]

And its not unreasonable to expect that you would be able to provide proof of authenticity since you are so sure its not a forgery. Which you have not done.

And if you can’t do that, then you don’t know if its real or not, is what I’m saying.

[conservativegramma]

Well, why you after birthers believe everything Obama claims on his nativity and eligibility purely on his say so is beyond me.

The man is a serial liar. Common sense would dictate that whatever he claims about anything the truth is going to be 180 degrees to the opposite.

I mean seriously, William Ayers writes it, Obama says it and you guys believe it without question? Okaaaay.......

[BuckeyeTexan]

Hawaii used whatever race the parent supplied. Senior specified “African.”

And please don’t point me to a set of national standards because Hawaii didn’t follow those. Those standards specify “white,” but the Nordyke twins’ and others’ certificates say “caucasian.” Still others list races such as “Hawaiian” and “American.”

[bushpilot1]

Pls provide documentation senior was at the hospital..or listed his name and the word African race on a birth certificate..

The word African race did not exist in 1961 Hawaii.

Hawaii states the race of the child reverts to the father if the child is mixed race.

There were 116 Negro male babies born in Hawaii in 1961. Please show us the birth of an African race baby born in 1961 Hawaii.

[Hotlanta Mike]

He’ll either say that he misunderstood Trump and wasn’t lying or he’ll suggest that Trump “has been gotten to” or is working for Obama.

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It’s not out of the question...they got to Miss Tickly.

[Hotlanta Mike]

Hawaii used whatever race the parent supplied. Senior specified “African.”

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If Senior specified it, why didn’t he sign the document?

[Elsie]

Sex?

What does THAT mean?

I’d say YES!!

(Perhaps they meant GENDER...)

[BuckeyeTexan]

Now you’re just making up stuff. You can easily check my posting history to see where I have pointed out Obama’s lies numerous times on numerous threads, especially on non-eligibility threads. Of course he’s a serial liar. Acutally, he’s a pathological liar.

[BuckeyeTexan]

They did? Do tell. I have no idea what you’re talking about.

[conservativegramma]

I have pointed out Obama’s lies numerous times on numerous threads, especially on non-eligibility threads. Of course he’s a serial liar. Acutally, he’s a pathological liar.

And yet you still BELIEVE him when it comes to his eligibility. Oxymoron. Case closed.

[bushpilot1]

Is Obama a natural born Citizen?

You have said he is not a NBC..but...is he a natural born Citizen?

[BuckeyeTexan]

I dunno. Maybe SAD was the one who specified “African” and not Senior. See my homepage for an example of a COLB that lists “Hawaiian” and “American” as the parents’ races. I researched the little girl on ancestry.com. It’s a legitimate certificate. It proves, IMO, that the statement by the HDoH employee is accurate. For the parents’ race, Hawaii uses whatever the parent or parents supplied.

[BuckeyeTexan]

IMHO, absolutely not.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Again, you’re just making up more crap. I have always said that Obama is not an NBC. Now the case is closed.

[conservativegramma]

Nope, when you stop mocking birthers THEN the case will be closed. If you believe Obama is not an NBC, then mocking someone who agrees with you is not only another oxymoron — its extremely rude.

[Windcatcher]

Thanks for posting that. I hadn't seen that scan before. That definitely looks more legitimate, but for the sake of skepticism (grin), here's what I see after a quick once-over:


Each of these is the result of taking text from two portions and overlaying them. The process for each is, using Paint Shop Pro 8:

1. Invert each portion (negative image)
2. Reduce the luminance by 50% so that it never gets brighter than 50% gray.
3. Colorize one with 100% red (hue=0, saturation=255)
4. Colorize the other with 100% blue (hue=160, saturation=255)
5. Composite the image with the blue image on the bottom at 100% opacity and the red image on top at 50% opacity.

IMAGE #1:
- RED = line 1a
- BLUE = line 8
- This looks okay to me...I would expect the blue text to be narrower (the curvature results in a narrower image in the projection plane)

IMAGE #2:
- RED = line 1c
- BLUE = line 8
- The close horizontal alignment tells me that the projection geometry is (most likely) nearly identical for those two regions on the page. Measuring the widths of lines 6a and 13, respectively shows a difference of approximately 8 pixels, so I should expect a trapezoidal effect on width varying with vertical position on the page, but the horizontal metrics on the right half should be fairly consistent.

IMAGE #3
- RED = line 11
- BLUE = line 9
- I'm not concerned with the difference in the baseline positioning between uppercase "A" and the rest of the word for the two images. Using the shift key on a manual typewriter physically moves the entire carriage, so there shouldn't be any expectation of consistency. The difference in horizontal width, however, suggests that the left half of the page differs considerably from the right half in the projection plane. This isn't really a red flag, and the fact that the delta for each successive letter grows consistently is what I would expect.

IMAGE #4
- RED = line 6a
- BLUE = line 7c
- I chose the 6a "Honolulu" instead of the 7a "Honolulu" specifically because it has a similar horizontal position to line 11 "Africa". This means that IMAGE #3 and IMAGE #4 should have very similar horizontal characteristics. However, this image is very strange. The overall width of "Honolulu" is the same, but the letter spacing is inconsistent. I can't claim forgery, but it is definitely anomalous.

I also looked at a few other things, but nothing jumped out at me as red flags:

- Looked at the rotational alignment of capital "H" since it seems like it is rotated clockwise relative to other letters. The rotation appears consistent throughout the document.
- Looked at the top serif of lowercase "l" since it extends beyond the bottom serif. Where the top serif is completely present, the overshoot is consistent and it doesn't appear to be kerned with the preceding letter.
- Looked at the height of lowercase "l" for consistency.
- Looked for consistency in chromatic "ghosting". Red/blue ghosting is not uncommon and is a normal result of diffraction effects in the scanning optics. Looked specifically for consistency in chroma ghosting for various items based on position in the document.