Posted on 05/16/2011 7:39:44 PM PDT by conservativegramma
NEW YORK – Newly unearthed information about Hawaii's procedure for numbering birth records at the time Barack Obama was born casts further doubt on the authenticity of the short-form and long-form birth certificates published online with the president's authority.
Details about the registration procedure are significant, because some analysts have wondered how Obama could have been issued a registration number that is higher than the numbers of the published birth certificates of Susan and Gretchen Nordyke, which were registered three days later than the president's. But a 1955 article by Charles Bennett, Hawaii's registrar general in 1961, and George Tokuyama, chief of the registration and records section for the state's Department of Health, stated birth certificates were numbered immediately upon acceptance by the registrar-general.
When the local registrar was satisfied the birth certificate was complete, the registrar-general filed it by placing the filing date on the birth certificate and assigning it a number.
The date was recorded by an ink stamp that manually adjusted the date in the format month-day-year.
The certificate number appears to be applied with a Bates numbering stamp that advanced automatically by one number each time the stamp was used.
Bennett's and Tokuyama's description of this procedure shows that birth certificates were numbered upon acceptance by the registrar-general, and there was no provision that would allow an accepted birth certificate to be put in a pile for three days before a number was stamped on it.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
I don’t know about Fox News but he’s supposed to do Hannity’s radio show this afternoon.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=299345
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Today’s the day Corsi is unleashed to tell all about that ‘birth certificate’
Posted: May 17, 2011
Corsi’s first nationwide interview takes place on the Sean Hannity radio show this afternoon. He follows that up with appearances on hundreds of other radio and television shows.
Your two Hawaii birth certificates-—
1949 —— Hawaii was US territory
1961—— Hawaii was a US State
So they altered the format. That’s all I see
The Tribe/Olson 'Natural Born Citizen' Memo
The Constitution does not define the meaning of “natural born Citizen.” The U.S. Supreme Court gives meaning to terms that are not expressly defined in the Constitution by looking to the context in which those terms are used; to statutes enacted by the First Congress, Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. 783, 790-91 (1983); and to the common law at the time of the Founding. United Suites v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 655 (1898). These sources all confirm that the phrase “natural born” includes both birth abroad to parents who were citizens, and birth within a nation’s territory and allegiance. Thus, regardless of the sovereign status of the Panama Canal Zone at the time of Senator McCain’s birth, he is a “natural born” citizen because he was born to parents who were U.S. citizens.
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Indeed, the statute that the First Congress enacted on this subject not only established that such children are U.S. citizens, but also expressly referred to them as “natural born citizens.” Act of Mar. 26, 1790, ch. 3, § 1, 1 Stat. 103, 104.
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Historical practice confirms that birth on soil that is under the sovereignty of the United States, but not within a State, satisfies the Natural Born Citizen Clause. For example, Vice President Charles Curtis was born in the territory of Kansas on January 25, 1860 — one year before Kansas became a State. Because the Twelfth Amendment requires that Vice Presidents possess the same qualifications as Presidents, the service of Vice President Curtis verifies that the phrase “natural born Citizen” includes birth outside of any State but within U.S. territory. Similarly, Senator Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before its statehood, yet attained the Republican Party’s presidential nomination in 1964. And Senator Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961 — not long after its admission to the Union on August 21, 1959. We find it inconceivable that Senator Obama would have been ineligible for the Presidency had he been born two years earlier.
Regardless of what one thinks of Tribe and Olson, both are recognized Constitutional scholars and both have been listed at one time or another as possible SCOTUS justices. Note that they interpret the Constitution and related cases to mean that natural born citizenship includes birthright citizenship (jus solis) and by blood, (jus sanguinis.)
We need to take this to SCOTUS and get a ruling. By 2050, one in five residents of this country will be foreign born. Today, one in 8 is foreign born, the highest it has been in 80 years. We have 300,000 to 400,000 anchor babies born each year. The definition of natural born citizenship is not settled law. It must be resolved sooner rather than later.
See my post #124.
Thank you for that indeed. Vattel is mentioned right there in the U.S. Constitution "To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;" because Vattel IS the Law of Nations!
And what greater offense against the Law of Nations is there than trying to change the meaning of natural born as defined within that same body without a constitutional amendment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is proof our entire Congress needs impeaching along with our entire judicial system. This is 1776 part 2. (Not to mention this is proof positive that every troll on FR who keeps speaking AGAINST Vattel; and every media pundit who ridicules the birthers; are all committing treason).
I think anyone who follows my posting here knows that I have said that Bamie BC II is an obvious fraud. (Most recently yesterday!)
But citing this five year old (or more at txe time of Obama's birth) directive seems foolish. There is NO medical data that was entered by a physician on txe Nordyke BCs, so this practice obviously came to a quick end. And who's to say what else ended during txe five years, including procedures for assigning these numbers.
These questionable, but possibly explainable irregularities, divert attention from txe obvious evidence of FRAUD. (See my link from yesterday and find post #23 at that thread for more info.)
ML/NJ
This is proof our entire Congress needs impeaching along with our entire judicial system. This is 1776 part 2. (Not to mention this is proof positive that every troll on FR who keeps speaking AGAINST Vattel; and every media pundit who ridicules the birthers; are all committing treason).
Absolutely. That’s why people who are looking to the GOP to oust Obama due to ineligibility (and fraud) do not realize that they allowed him to attain office. They are COMPLICIT in this affront to the US Constitution.
1776 redux is indeed in order.
Sorry you feel that way but the "small minded idiot reasoning that is used by some of the birthers on Free Republic" didn't just pull that out of our backsides. Don't take a birther's word, do your own research on Vattel, Law of Nations, and Senate Resolution 511. http://ubirevera.blogivists.com/2008/12/29/according-to-chertoff-obama-not-constitutionally-qualified-for-potus/ Obama, Clinton and four others were on the SR511 committee to determine McCain's NBC. While they got it wrong, since they failed to see that he wasn't born on a US military base but in the city of Colon, they agreed with Chertoff on the definition of NBC being born on US soil of TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS: "Secretary Chertoff. My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen. Chairman Leahy. That is mine, too. Thank you." Leahey used to have the entire thing on his official website but it's been scrubbed. This is the closest I could find at the moment that addresses the discussion. The Kenyan usurper signed his name to that so let's see him wiggle out of that.
It also doesn’t define the word “is” does it? Of course, that could be because the Constitution isn’t a dictionary.
Well and truly stated.
The dead baby was named Herbert Harrison O’Brien:
“We did a little followup work and found a death certificate for a Herbert Harrison O’Brien from the same hospital, dated August 5, 1961. The date of birth on that death certificate is given as August 4, same as little Barack Hussein Obama. But the funny thing is, there’s no corresponding birth certificate for baby Herbert.”
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2011/may/11/sdqt-schooled/
For what it’s worth, I’m ambidextrous and can write perfectly with either hand. Some days I use my right hand and some my left. My signatures don’t look anything alike.
Obama, with his signature on SR511, disagrees with you. And don't even come back saying SR511 isn't law. Obama, Clinton, Chertoff and the rest agree with the TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS definition so much so that they attached their signatures to it. If Obama, the great constitutional lawyer and lecturer, agrees that to be the definition then who are you to argue?
Interesting. So now there’s 2 potential candidates for Obama’s BC number: Virginia Sunahara and Herbert O’Brien. Wake up Congress and do your fricken jobs!!!!!!!!!!
If the definition of natural born citizen was so cut and dried and a matter of settled law, then why is this guy in the WH? Or why did the Senate feel it was necessary to pass a resolution and get an opinion from two noted constitutional scholars of different poltical persuasions to justify McCain's eligibility, which is also not settled law?
We need this issue resolved, i.e., natural born citizenship needs to be defined specifically as it applies to Article II, Section I of the Constitution. Only SCOTUS can do that wih any finality and specificity.
Not that it necessarily applies to the Obama situation, but for the sake of argument and to be precise:
Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
- Anyone born inside the United States (but does not include children of foreign diplomats)
- Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe (no issues here)
- Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S. (so, not everyone born of U.S. citizen parents is necessarily a citizen at birth)
- Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national (so, again, not everyone born of U.S. citizen parents is necessarily a citizen at birth)
- Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
- Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
- Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
- A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
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