Posted on 05/08/2011 8:40:39 AM PDT by rhubarbb
Sorry if this is in the wrong area, this is my first time posting. I'm a long-time lurker who loves FR and I use what I learn all the time against my friends, some of whom (Unfortunately) are liberal. It's the price of going to a big college. I'm really good about speaking the truth to them and showing how they're wrong, and most of my best arguments come from FR. But there's been one question that one of my friends keeps repeating and while I know he's wrong I can't prove it and it's bugging me.
I know the best researchers are here and I figured someone here has figured out how to set the Obama-bots straight on the issue. I've searched through all the other threads on eligibility and didn't find anything.
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My friend says that Spio Agnew (Nixon's VP) proves that you don't need two citizen parents to be a Natural Born Citizen.
Now, I know that the Vice President must meet the same elgibility requirements as the President, and therefore must also be a Natural Born Citizen (12th Amendment). My friend claims that Spiro Agnew's father was a Greek Citizen when he was born. I've tried to find any information to confirm and deny this, but can't find anything. I know he's wrong (he's a Dem... haha) but need help with the proof.
I can't see Nixon choosing someone, and the Republicans electing, a vice president that was obviously unqualified for office.
So my question:
Is this true? Have one of the researcher's looked into Agnew's citizenship? Did Nixon choose a VP that was not a Natural Born Citizen? And if so, did he hide it like Chester A. Arthur did? I figure that one of the reasons I can't find any information on it might be because he did the "hide your past" thing like Arthur.
Any help would be great and help to take a liberal down!!
Of course it (his mother's age requirement) doesn't apply if he was born in the US, but there has been no birth certificate presented to prove that he was born here.
And then, if it is proven that he was born on US soil, he still is ineligible because of the status of his father as a British citizen.
I think that's what you actually meant, so I fixed it for you.
Frankly I find this dicussion rediculous. He owned a business lost everything during the depression and then became successful again.
Face it he was a naturalized citizen. for the census he would have to provide the docs.
Sort of. The birther angle does three things.
1. Energizes the far right.
2. Energizes the far left.
3. Creeps out everyone else.
This is why the all of the GOP high command, pundits, politicians, commentators and thinkers avoid this issue like a radioactive plague (and the left loves to stoke it). No Palin, no Krauthammer, no Beck, no Hannity, no Supreme Court judges, no congressmen, no senators. Nobody will touch it because it's poison. It cannot unseat Obama. It can only strengthen him.
It's not a conspiracy. It's not a mystery. It's numbers. You can quote Vattel until you're blue in the face, but this issue is a road to defeat in 2012.
True. If they can stay focused on the policy issues primarily and use this BC-records stuff as a way to ridicule and tweak Obama without getting labelled a “birther”, that would be fine. We know Obama has a thin skin and can’t resist the bait, and drawing him off message makes sense. Plus to many I think it’s the secrecy that leads to doubt about Obama’s character. I doubt may independents who voted for him are harcore ‘birthers’ but I’ll be many are puzzled over why he’s made such a big deal out of what is really pretty trivial stuff (if he’s got nothing to hide).
Evidently, absence of proof that he was born elsewhere is proof that he was born here.
Or something.
What is that? To stand for our Constitution? Count me in!
One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?
Middle East Muslim Radicalization
Birth Certificate
Illegal Immigration
Soaring Debt/Deficit - Economy
(The BC sucks the seriousness out of the conservative agenda.)
The Law of Nations, from which the eligibility standard stated in the U. S. Constitution is derived, specifies that both parents be citizens of the nation at issue, and gives the reasons for same, namely, to avoid divided national loyalties in a person being considered for elevation to the monarchy (i.e., king or emperor) of a nation. The term “natural born citizen” is applied in the present instance applied to the office of chief executive of our constitutional republic, and by the same means seeks to avoid said divided loyalty. Obama’s sense of national loyalty appears to be multi-faceted, at best, much inclined toward placing the U. S. Constitution in an inferior position vis-a-vis the rules and regulations adopted by the United Nations Organization, for one example.
That the “natural born citizen” standard may have been overlooked in the case of Agnew does not render it moot, merely shows that it was not accorded the respectful consideration it deserves as a Constitutional requirement.
There were other parents of presidents who were immigrants; however, status was not recorded as it is now, for logical reasons of the times in a young America. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2703612/posts?page=115
Spiro Agnew's Father was a Non-Citizen
or you can research:
In 1910, Theodore S. Anagnost (Anagnostopoulos) lived in Schenectady, NY, with and next to relatives (cousins, siblings). See dist. 7, enumeration dist. 186, ward 7, p. 4A.
1. In 1920, the census taker wrote down that Theodore was an alien who came to the US in 1887.
2. In 1930, the census taker wrote down that he was a naturalized citizen who came to the US (if that’s not the date of naturalization) in 1903.
However, you will find... this poster of all this information was removed over a year ago--but has been copied more recently to the Huffington Post where we know the liberals hang out.
Who really cares at this point, its a way to take The People's concentration off the debt ceiling, our credit rating, the rumor that Obama may require through the stroke of a pen, all business doing contracts with the government must reveal the voting records of upper management. The fact that the $2.10 gas tax [and yes it was discussed by this people] was tabled for now because of how the public would react to this added tax with already $4 gasoline to pay for roads, bridges, ironically because we are using “less” fuel, not driving as much and a push to hybrids so fewer taxes are being paid in, to be spent as promised. The controversial QE3 drumbeat. possibility.
Arthur and Agnew have had their day. Obama is not going anywhere until he loses to the next candidate opposing him. We need not lose focus of the real issues confronting the us under this Administration. The issues that effect the daily lifestyle of every American.
Good luck..but they just do not want you to confront the real issues [perhaps out of protection of their leader]..they are just repeating the political mantra expected of them.
Obama's father was not an American citizen, therefore he is NOT a Natural Born Citizen, as understood by the Framers, and required by our Constitution.
That is not a "conspiracy theory".
Yes, Obama needs to be opposed on the issues, but he also needs to be opposed on his ineligibility to hold office. Contrary to what some may think, we conservatives can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Post #54—correction “watched a brief show”..I clipped it accidentally
... absence of proof that he was born elsewhere is proof that he was born here? Huh?
Absence of proof that he was born elsewhere is proof that he could have been anywhere.
A person born on US Soil is a “native born” citizen.
A person born on US Soil of TWO US citizen parents is a “natural born” citizen.
Not by this framer - James Madison, "Father of the Constitution"
It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.
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