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Hey, since we're all just posting our random thoughts as if they mean something, here are mine:

I see the problem with FR as being exactly the opposite of the problem you see. The way I see it, as our circumstances get more dire, and the threat to our country, our culture, and our way of life increases exponentially, there are a large number of Freepers who want to pretend that it is business as usual, that the politics of today are just like they were in the old days, where Democrat vs. Republican was just chess match between gentlemen and the outcome would not make or break us. Well, we have quite literally come to a moment where the outcome of all the political efforts will either destroy us, or, at best, limp us back toward safe ground. There is no safe status quo anymore. We are up against ideologies that want to destroy this country and everything it stands for and has ever stood for, and adherents to those ideologies are now the majority in our government at all levels.

Amid this perilous environment, one would think that so-called conservative patriots, as we supposedly have here, would recognize the threat and adapt. And we do have quite a few who fit that description. However, we also have Freepers such as yourself who simply cannot adapt to the idea that our government is no longer on our side, if it ever was, that the stakes have been raised, and that greater effort on the part of the enemy calls for greater response on our side. Instead, many Freepers want to continue along the same comfortable path they have traveled their whole lives: bitching about the government but never doing anything about it, watching the lies, deception, illegal behavior, disregard for the rights of the people, disregard for the law at all levels perpetrated by our government entities, and yet refusing to go to the next logical level of thought and accepting that our government is no longer legitimate, cannot be trusted, and must be reset.

In short, there are quite a few Freepers too scared to even consider the possibility of Obama's ineligibility, or the possibility that this Osama thing is just a ploy, or the possibility that Cloward-Piven is being rammed down our throats, or the national treasury purposefully looted, and any number of other crimes against the people of the United States, because that consideration would require them to accept something they desperately do not want to believe, because if they were to believe it, they would have to either act or feel like a coward. They would much rather close their eyes and go back to their comfortable lives watching TV and mowing the lawn.

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The way I see it, as our circumstances get more dire, and the threat to our country, our culture, and our way of life increases exponentially, there are a large number of Freepers who want to pretend that it is business as usual, that the politics of today are just like they were in the old days, where Democrat vs. Republican was just chess match between gentlemen and the outcome would not make or break us.

However, what is of more concern is not the number of FReepers that wish to cling to "business as usual," but the fact that the vast majority of the nation that refuses to accept reality. They are a very large part of why we have arrived at the point that we are.

Well, we have quite literally come to a moment where the outcome of all the political efforts will either destroy us, or, at best, limp us back toward safe ground. There is no safe status quo anymore. We are up against ideologies that want to destroy this country and everything it stands for and has ever stood for, and adherents to those ideologies are now the majority in our government at all levels.

Bingo. And the sad fact is that we didn't arrive here merely as a result of the current administration. The attack from within on this nation has been going on for several decades, sometimes slowly, other times more abruptly. IMO what we see happening under the current administration is the haste to get to the end game. (One of the only hopes that I hang on to is that their haste is premature and will end up garnering much more of a push-back than they have imagined.)

I found that reading posts here on FR was the only place that I had any level of comfort yesterday (as is the case mostly everyday). The TV coverage was disgusting, any talk radio that I sampled was almost as disgusting, it even bled into the sports talk radio around here (NYC metro). Years ago I would have figured that hearing the "news" about OBL's death would have been a welcome and cheerful event. As my wife and I sat through the coverage on Sunday night, neither of us experienced anything like it. There are many reasons for that, among them is the fact that OBL has not been anything but a figurehead for many years, there was certainly no tactical victory in his removal. I recognize for some (especially those that were affected in a profoundly personal way on 9/11) that the desire to see him "punished" brought some satisfaction; for them I am glad that his death may provide that, and maybe some degree of "closure" on their personal loss. But in the larger scope of things, his death was pretty much a non-event at this point.

We actually stayed up to watch the usurper's "speech." (Funny thing is that my wife actually had to ask me "Are you really going to watch this? Not 'mute' the sound?") I wanted to see how disgusting his presentation would be; and of course it was everything that I expected. It is a very sad fact that this "event" will actually cause more harm to our country to the extent that the propaganda arm of the regime will use it every way possible over the next year or so as a tool for re-election. Seeing those ginned up flash mobs of teenagers and 20-somethings with their brand new American flags and T-shirts was just another sad reminder of how the sheeple can be so easily stirred up and manipulated.

And perhaps one of the most disturbing aspects of the "event" (even more so than the preening and obscene credit-taking) was that it was yet another opportunity for them to blatantly lie about EVIL cult of islam (and distort the truth about the real WOT). So yeah, there really wasn't a whole to get excited about from my perspective.

Last night my wife and (adult) son and I shared our experiences of the day. Most folks that we interacted with (from across a broad spectrum) had expressed somewhat muted "cheer" and expressed more doubt and less credulity than we expected. I said that it was indeed a very sad fact that we have arrived at this point as a nation: less and less people believe much of what the "government" states as fact. It is indeed sad, but it is certainly understandable (considering the abject evil that has been perpetrated on our nation by our "government" for decades). However, as sad as it is, it is actually encouraging; for without this growing recognition by more and more of our fellow citizens, our chances of survival get closer to nil each day.

Hey, since we're all just posting our random thoughts as if they mean something, here are mine:
I see the problem with FR as being exactly the opposite of the problem you see. The way I see it, as our circumstances get more dire, and the threat to our country, our culture, and our way of life increases exponentially, there are a large number of Freepers who want to pretend that it is business as usual, that the politics of today are just like they were in the old days, where Democrat vs. Republican was just chess match between gentlemen and the outcome would not make or break us. Well, we have quite literally come to a moment where the outcome of all the political efforts will either destroy us, or, at best, limp us back toward safe ground. There is no safe status quo anymore. We are up against ideologies that want to destroy this country and everything it stands for and has ever stood for, and adherents to those ideologies are now the majority in our government at all levels.
Amid this perilous environment, one would think that so-called conservative patriots, as we supposedly have here, would recognize the threat and adapt. And we do have quite a few who fit that description. However, we also have Freepers such as yourself who simply cannot adapt to the idea that our government is no longer on our side, if it ever was, that the stakes have been raised, and that greater effort on the part of the enemy calls for greater response on our side. Instead, many Freepers want to continue along the same comfortable path they have traveled their whole lives: bitching about the government but never doing anything about it, watching the lies, deception, illegal behavior, disregard for the rights of the people, disregard for the law at all levels perpetrated by our government entities, and yet refusing to go to the next logical level of thought and accepting that our government is no longer legitimate, cannot be trusted, and must be reset.
In short, there are quite a few Freepers too scared to even consider the possibility of Obama's ineligibility, or the possibility that this Osama thing is just a ploy, or the possibility that Cloward-Piven is being rammed down our throats, or the national treasury purposefully looted, and any number of other crimes against the people of the United States, because that consideration would require them to accept something they desperately do not want to believe, because if they were to believe it, they would have to either act or feel like a coward. They would much rather close their eyes and go back to their comfortable lives watching TV and mowing the lawn.
This is a discussion forum. Ideas are discussed here. Possibilities are discussed here. If you don't like that, if the topics discussed frighten you, then leave.

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