Posted on 05/03/2011 4:46:53 AM PDT by Huck
Had to stop there Hank, though I detected your "Respectfully" at the end, and feel that it's insincere, based on the above.
Have you compared the most recent BC with one someone else has recently gotten from Hawaii? How does Hawaii produce the BC now when requested? Is it just a photocopy onto a blank form or is it printed out from a computer copy?
” So puhleeeeeze! My patriotic enthusiasm is reserved for those who made it happen. Navy Seals, CIA and our military “
Good....now I don’t have to post anything
Best post on this thread...you have nailed it so hard that the earth trembles in response.
Is that the Of-fish-al WH photo of the Osama burial at sea? LOL
LOL!
FR ain t what it used to be. Its just bozos and yahoos yelling all day long.
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Sir, I respect you and value your great contributions to this site. And I have a question.
Did you have bozos and yahoos yelling all day long at you when you exposed the Rathergate memo? At the time, I’m sure there must have been some who called you a conspiracy nut with your tin-foil hat on a little too tight, and things like that.
Just as there are many now on FR who are “yelling all day long” about them silly birthers. (By the way, I am a birther).
“Ok,that was a Sky News article. The posts looked about 50-50 each way. Whats the big deal? Why is this the end of Free Republic?”
I never said it was the end of FR, but there were many other threads like it. You seemed to doubt that deniers and conspiracy kooks were on this site. You wanted an example, I gave you one. BTW, 50% doubters is a huge percentage IMO.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL! You must not remember the same "early days" as I do. Your memory is incorrect.
That's probably one reason I don't watch television. Why volunteer for an infection?
Sadly, I agree.
I saw not one mention of BCM or BKO.
Regards, Slim
You’re exactly right, Huck. I came here to celebrate, but I closed out of FR after 20 minutes of reading garbage that belongs in the DUmpster.
I was two months from ETSing on 9/11. I was actually on CQ, reading about using the GI Bill for college, when people on their way to PT told me to turn on the TV, because a plane crashed into a skyscraper or something.
I spent most of the next ten years in Afghanistan (OEF-A), Iraq (OIF) or the Philippines (OEF-P). I couldn’t jump anymore after my knee went bad, so they shuffled me off to Ft Meade. I saw the war from a different angle, and by SOF support background lead me to some interesting assignments.
Working in Balad for TF xxx was one of them. I spent months TDY in a world I only vaguely knew even existed, representing my agency as best I could in the most fast paced, results driven operation around. It made everything I’d seen in the Army or the government before or since look like a low grade training event.
When the details of the raid started to emerge, with a 40min dwell time on target, including infil, actions on the objective, SSE, and exfil, I knew it was the real deal. “It usually takes more than three weeks to prepare a good impromptu speech.”, as Mark Twain would say. Raids that go down this fast are planned, researched and rehearsed.
I’ve been out of the game for a while, but I imagined, wearing my old analyst hat, the intense meetings, the constant liaison between three letter agencies and the conventional military, the elaborate rehearsals, the feeling in your stomach when you look up and see the words, ‘OBJ Irhabi’ on the OPS screen, and the dull sense of wonder that it’s actually happening. Watching the UAV feeds when a HAF hits the ground, you’ll miss hundreds of people forgetting to breathe for a few seconds. The disappointment of hitting a dry hole, the electric joy that hits the room when the right bad guy is bagged. The relief that none of the operators got hurt. We rode that roller coaster of emotions night after night.
It’s not the same as being on the ground yourself (another distinct set of memories), but it’s exhilarating nonetheless.
This leads me back to your point. I remember the days of Michael Rivero, black helicopters (ironically), and “Clinton ain’t leaving” after his second term. There’s always been a vein of conspiracy theory lore in the FR community.
I never took it personally until yesterday. Catching Usama bin Laden was a major achievement in the long war, and for those of us who fought in it. Possibly the biggest yet, from a psychological standpoint. That SSE takes time to process. It has to be exploited from whatever media its on, logged into the right database, analyzed and evaluated. New targets need to be generated. The cycle feeds on itself. When one bad guy falls, we pull the string and move to the next.
That’s what’s going on right now. They’re not going to stop and give a press conference because they’re busy, and even if they weren’t busy, they wouldn’t be talking.
On the other hand, the idea that the raid was staged or didn’t happen strains all credulity. You’d need to get several hundred people who largely detest the current POTUS to agree to lie to the American people on his behalf. On the contrary, JSOC has the means and the motive to prove any false statements. The information they’re currently analyzing is being concurrently disseminated to the IC as a whole, who will be able to tell if it’s not the real deal. You can’t fake accurate intelligence, any more than you could accurately guess tomorrows stock prices as part of a scam.
I understand greatly the mistrust of the President, and the desire to hold him accountable. But don’t believe his hype. It wasn’t his operation. He didn’t plan it, he wasn’t there. He just sniffed a PowerPoint presentation, and said, ‘okay, do it’. It was JSOCs mission. American military, American intelligence agencies, a win for America.
Folks may think they’re being ‘tough on Obama’ by being skeptical, but it’s not. It’s an insult to the special operations and intelligence communities who spend many years and many lives fighting your war in the shadows. It’s an insult to their integrity, that a large minority of FReepers think that so many would go along so easily with a flimsy, easily disprovable scam on the American people. It’s basically warmed over Trutherism, if you think about it.
It made yesterday a depressing, kooky day for the normally wise and patriotic Free Republic. Frustration at Obama has caused people to trade common sense and their faith in the U.S. military for a twitchy, knee-jerk paranoia, which is a pretty sad thing. Thanks for the post, Huck. Hopefully it gets some folks to take a breath and think.
That works for me.
Bug difference between "peaceful dissent" and outright character assasination, which is what these two jokers engage in on a daily basis.
Instead, when I visited the site, what I found was a lot of carping. I found people focused more on the political spin than on the great news. I found people transferring their birther mentality onto this event, talking about Obama faking this news, photoshopping information, etc. It wasn’t everybody, but it was a LOT of people. It made me sick.
Ditto
I'm not sure I believe they got Usama and if they did, it's not that big of deal except for revenge.... a revenge killing. I really haven't thought about him in many years. He stopped doing his live videos, probably because he's been dead for many years. But even if he was still alive or is still alive, he's like a gelding put out to pasture. He was neutered by President Bush when he busted up his training facilities in Afghanistan.
It's hard for him have much of a following when he is hiding all the time and doesn't see anyone except a handful of confidants and his 500 wives and kids.
I will never forget 9-11 or the people that were killed and the families that suffered. HOWEVER, he didn't fly the planes into the buildings. He's was just their little guru, spiritual leader and not even that for many years. The attacks world wide have slowed down because of Bush's war on terror and new policies that he implemented along with other countries.
I believe the real master mind and planner is al-Zawahiri. If we got him would that end it? HELL NOT! Al Quaeda is a large network. Taking out Usama or al-Zawahiri is pretty much a drop in the bucket.
I find the burial at sea within hours after his 'death" very odd and I put nothing past this Halfrican, Marxist, Muslim, Bisexual usurper in the White House. NOTHING!!! Valerie and Wookie run the show there and don't ever think otherwise.
Wookie and Obongo want 4 more years where there is no pressure on them to worry about being re-elected. Think of the trips they can go on then, since ridicule will mean nothing to them. Think of what Odumbo can do in 4 years. You think the first half was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet pal. Wait until he is a lame duck president.
So IF getting Usama or lying about getting him, gets him re-elected I would choose Usama stays alive and well any ole day. He's neutered, not much of a threat, the POS in the White House is a bigger threat to this country than Usama will ever be.
Bump for a well=thought-out opinion. Thanks. I share some of it.
I feel the same way. Every day of my life is now filled with doubt and worry.
Amazing post. Thanks.
Thank you very much.
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