Expert: No Doubt Obama's Birth Certificate Is Legit

Fox News ^ | 4/29/11 | Jana Winter

[Nachum]

It didn’t take long for some of President Obama’s doubters to claim the long-awaited birth certificate posted online by the White House on Wednesday had been altered or might be a fake.

But a leading software expert says there’s no doubt about its authenticity, and he dismisses claims of fraud as flat-out wrong.

The doubters have latched onto the idea that Adobe Illustrator — the premier program for computer graphic artists — “reveals” evidence of document manipulation in the Obama birth certificate. They note Illustrator reveals nine separate layers of the document, and claim it’s “proof” the file has been altered.

But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.

“You should not be so suspicious about this,” Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.

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He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

[rolling_stone]

you remind me of a song......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGJvzwKqg0

[moehoward]

"I am not familiar with this software, are you ? Is the above comment true ? If so, this would definately show that was a manufactured doc that was not just scanned on Apr 27 as they claim."

I have Bridge. It show's created on April 27, 2011. No way to have a modified date after the creation date.

[butterdezillion]

What forms would he have had to sign?

If a person can get certified copies mailed to them by requesting over the internet, there must not be any forms that have to be signed in person at the HDOH office.

Overnight FedEx sent out by the HDOH on Monday when the HDOH office opened would have been there just as quickly and it would have allowed Obama to show exactly what had documentably come from the HDOH.

As somebody else pointed out, transcripts, recommendations, etc are required to be direct communications where the person who would want to tamper has no opportunity to do so. That was one of the things we considered when looking at state eligibility bills; the stronger protection is if the SOS gets the records directly from the government sources rather than having the candidate relay them, because the opportunity for the candidate to tamper with the records is eliminated that way.

The way that they did this was not the most convincing way to do it.

[CommieCutter]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292901

[Just mythoughts]

Seriously come on man! Don’t you see? This has been a MAJOR distraction for the preZ, so much so that he had to fly lawyers out to Hawaii while he was eating Ice cream at the golf course!/sarc If I had to produce mine I would just go to where I store it in my house...

First I am not a man...

No doubt the 'Donald' has gotten under the skin of BamBamKennedy... nobody else NOT even Hillary Clinton could get him to call legal aide to help him find his documentation.... got to wonder if this is an immigration specialist...

Now in my small flyover world I had to produce year in and year out my three children's birth certificates for them to play recreational sports... And I have NEVER had need to have my attorney hunt down their birth certificates.... I am suppose to believe that this man never had in his possession a certified copy of his birth certificate? Does not and will not pass the common sense smell test.

This guy preens all over the place about his 'transparency' even got some award for being so, and yet his whole documented history is hidden under some fig tree. WHY???

[=8 mrrabbit 8=]

Hi Butter!

Nice to meet you...

You are spot on in that regard. Whenever I need college transcripts for another institution - it is ALWAYS embossed/printed seal transcripts in a sealed envelope from institution TO institution. Never through my hands...

Once I open my own - they are no longer valid for certification purposes. Oftentimes there will be a stamp or sticker on the envelope telling you of that.

Same goes for my certified copy of my own COLB.

When I applied for and was accepted for a federal job a while back - it was made very clear in the acceptance paperwork that if necessary I would be required to request new copies of college transcripts and new copies of my COLB to be delivered from the applicable registrars DIRECTLY to a Federal office address.

My own copies that I had already provided were merely for application purposes - they were not for certification purposes upon acceptance.

=8-)

[BuckeyeTexan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-produces-his-birth-certificate/2011/04/27/AFFISyxE_story.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/27/obama-birth-certificate-r_n_854248.html

Yeah, yeah, I got it. I’m a troll, Obot, bootlicker, water carrier etc., etc.

What pathetic bunch of pukes chooses to call me because they can’t read, comprehend, or reason for themselves is of no conern to me.

[TheCipher]

That is what I thought since the properties of the file show it was created on Apr 27 and it didn’t seem to make sense. I didn’t have Bridge to check that claim.

[Just mythoughts]

Yes the Washington Post and Huffers are noted for getting to the bottom of liberal cover-ups.

I have called you NO names, I did proffer that I believe all your water carrying causes me to think you are a hoax.

[Brown Deer]

(lucy - see page 21, dated 4/28/1964)
says he is separated from wife, but planning on divorce. She is living in the Phillipines!
We know divorce was filed in on Jan 23, same year. Obama never received papers, and the divorce was final on March 20, which was one month earlier. She did not marry Soetoro until March 15, 1965 in Hawaii, but she was already in the Phillipines one year earlier. The Obots keep saying that under Indonesian law, Barry would not be citizen if he was adopted after the age of 5, but he could have been adopted even before he was 3.

also found? his illegal alien aunt in Massachusetts! (pg 22)
he was in Baltimore - son Roy lives there (he had dead baby?) (pg 27)
how did Obama get 1960 Hawaii SSN 575-44-4342 ?

why 2 birthdates?
he was born in 1934 while in Hawaii, changed to 1936 in Massachusetts

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buckeye:
you said: “All of your questions are answered by reading all 53 pages.”

I had already read all 53 pages, but you obviously didn’t so am summarizing below.

you said “1) Obama was not granted permission to work part time until 1961, when he was in Hawaii. 1959 has nothing to do with it.”

FACT: He was a student alien.
FACT: He had Hawaii SSN 575-44-4342 issued in 1960.
FACT: He was working as a dishwasher before jul 1960.
FACT: He was working for Dole in Aug 1960.

you said: “2) The INS caught Obama’s lies on his applications. They filled in missing information for him. There are three different versions of the same form.”

they are different forms.

you said: “I don’t see different dates of birth. Please give me page numbers.”

therefore, you never bothered to read the document. You saw what you wanted to see.
He stated that he was born in 1934 from 1959 until 1962, after that he was two years younger.

my statement:
“Why was he using two different dates of birth? Different documents in that file showed different dates of birth. It wasn’t a simple mistake. It was planned. Go look again. Also you left out some very key evidence from that file. Explain more about his children, which are quite different on the various documents. In only one separate note do they mention Barack, jr. Also why was the name of his wife crossed out and then later replaced by Ann Dunham?”

your original statement:
“More proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. INS documents and Harvard University letters show that Obama Sr. was a polygamist and that Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii.”

there is one mention of Barack in a handwritten note which begins with “Claims...” on page 34 which states:
“They have one child born Honolulu on 8/4/1961 -
Barack OBAMA II, child living with
mother (she lives with her parents * Subject resides at 1482 Alinecastre St.).

that’s it. nothing else about him. not proof of anything.

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page 1:
dtd sep 25, 1962
date of birth jun 18, 1934
present addr: cambridge
last address: alencastre st., honolulu

page 3:
dtd 10-1-62
date of birth 6-18-34

page 5:
28 aug 1965
complaint to I&N from Ruth’s mother about her daughter running off with Obama to Africa on Aug 16.
they informed her that she was a competent adult and they could do nothing because it was out of their jursidiction and she already knows about Obama’s other marriages.

page 7:
date of birth 6/18/36
dated 7/22/64
type of investigation: Abscondee
departed U.S. on 7/6/64 at NYC

page 9:
birthdate 18/6/34
dated NYC aug 9, 1959

page 12: memo 7/17/64
A [whited out] has called twice and is quite upset because her daughter (27) is planning on marrying this alien. Looks like he has over tow wives now. File shows that his departure time expired 7/8/64 and he is apparently still here.

Page 14:
4. Date of Birth: June 18th 1936
9. “I HAVE NOT BEEN EMPLOYED OR ENGAGED IN BUSINESS IN THE UNITED STATES.”
Name and address of employer or business
HARVARD
Part-time Research
$1500 per Yr. 1962-1964
dtd 21 apr 64

page 21:
Had not filled in marital status, etc. and employment portion of I-539.

Talked with Miss Frost at Harvard as alien claimed he couldn’t remember where he had worked in the U.S. She said he works on research at Harvard; and that Mr. Henry, one of the Harvard officials, intends to talk to subject re his marital situation. Harvard thinks he’s married to someone in Kenya and someone in Honolulu, but that possibly he belongs to a tribe where multiple marriages are O.K.

After alien stated he was married, he said he was separated and that they may get a divorce. The wife in the Philippines from he is separated is a U.S.C. Memo on yellow paper in file indicates he had wife in Kenya when he arrived in U.S. in 1959.

(4/28/64)

Alien called 4/29/64. Remembered that he worked during the summer of 1963 at Institute of International Marketing, 44-a Brattle Street, Cambridge, Mass. Said his exams are coming up in November 1964.

page 22:
LOTs OF WHITEOUT, but seems to be talking about 0bama’s illegal alien aunt that lives in Massachusetts!

23: “Obama is considered by [ ] to be a slippery character.

page 25:
4. Date of Birth: June 18, 1936
dtd 6 jun 1963

page 27:
3. Mailing address: Baltimore, Maryland (remember that 0bama’s were found in MD)
4. Date of Birth: June 18, 1936
7. Names and addresses of Children
Roy Obama
Date: 17th Aug. 1962 Baltimore, Md.

Name: Renee L. Abena Obama
SSN: 215-71-0752
Born: 31 Oct 2004
Died: 25 Dec 2004
State (Year) SSN issued: Maryland (2004-2005)

Name: Roy A Obama
Birth Date: 15 Mar 1958
Phone Number: 773-5831
Address: 7507 Mandan Rd Apt 201, Greenbelt, MD, 20770-2126 (1993)
[8623 Flame Av 4, Silver Spring, MD, 20912]
[7244 Landover Rd C, Hyattsville, MD, 20785 (1988)]
Name: Abongo Malik Obama
Phone Number: 513-1437
Address: 7244 Landover Rd C, Hyattsville, MD, 20785 (1993)
[7244 Landover Rd C, Landover, MD, 20785]
[9012 Breezewood Ter # Te203, Greenbelt, MD, 20770-1031 (1995)]
[7507 Mandan Rd Apt 201, Greenbelt, MD, 20770-2126 (1993)]
Name: Sheree A Wood
[Sheree A Obama]
Birth Date: 2 Jun 1959
Phone Number: 474-7010
Address: 7513 Mandan Rd, Greenbelt, MD, 20770-2124 (1995)

page 29:
Date of birth: June 18, 1936
date: 10 Aug 1962

page 31:
Date of birth: June 18, 1936

page 32:
Date of birth: June 18, 1934
Date: June 27, 1962
[7978 Lakecrest Dr, Greenbelt, MD, 20770-3306 (1995)]
[300 59th St NE Apt 4, Washington, DC, 20019-6955]

page 33:
dated Sep 6, 1961
Mr. Barack H. Obama
1482 Alencastre Street
Honolulu

Your application for permission to accept employment is approved to Aug 8, 1962.

(yet he already had SSN from Hawaii issued 1960!)

page 34:
handwritten Memo dated 8/31/61

mentions he lives at previous address
and wife and son live with her parents.
says he is attending Univ Hawaii one more year, then going for doctorate on mainland, then back to Kenya
and wife is moving to attend Washington State

page 35:
4. Date of Birth 18 jun 1934
name of wife crossed out - replaced with Ann S. Dunham
SSN 575-44-4342
Employer: Dole Corp. Honolulu
$1.33 per hour -— August, 1960 - Sept 1960
dated 31 aug 1961

page 36:
dated 31 aug 1961
Date of Birth: June 18, 1934
Country of Citizenship: Great Britain
Place of Birth: Kenya (Africa)

page 39: (McCabe MEMO)
born: june 18, 1934 Kisumu, Nyanza, Kenya, Africa
entered U.S. NY, NY aug 9, 1959
married Feb 2, 1961 to Stanley Ann Dunham from Seattle, WA in Maui, HI
problem! he had a wife in Kenya

has permissions to work >25 hours/wk

he is running around with several girls ever since he arrived
has been cautioned about being a playboy
he said he would “try” to stop
Obama says in Kenya you can divorce wife by telling wife
he claims he did that
Polygamy is OK for non-immigrants

page 40:
dated 9 mar 1961
work approved for 25 hours/wk until 8/9/61

page 43:
birth date: June 18, 1934
employment: dishwasher for $5 day
dated 28 jul 1960

page 44:
birth date: jun 18, 1934
dated 24 jul 1960

18 credit hours

page 49:
dated Feb 19, 1959
date if birth 1934
Citizenship: British
birthplace: Nyanza Province

page 51:
date of birth: jun 18, 1934
dtd 9/21/1959

16 semester hours

page 52: (fingerprints)
dtd jul 28, 1960
Race: Kenya
Nationality: Kenya
ht: 5’11”
wt: 165
black hair
black eyes
date of birth: 6-18-1934
place: Kisumu-Nyanza, Kenya

[BuckeyeTexan]

What forms would he have had to sign? If a person can get certified copies mailed to them by requesting over the internet, there must not be any forms that have to be signed in person at the HDOH office.

I don't know, personally. Your conclusion applies to anyone but Obama. He's the POTUS and his BC has generated all kinds of requests from people. The HDoH would be foolish to accept an online request that could be sent by hackers. It's not that difficult to mask the source of a network packet. I doubt Obama opens his own mail either. So how would the HDoH know that the documents were going directy to Obama and only to Obama. I sure wouldn't have sent such a sought-after document in the mail, any mail. I'm going to bed. I've heard enough B.S. for tonight. (That doesn't apply to you. They know who they are.)

[moehoward]

It’s just a cataloging application. Part of the Adobe Pro Suites CS3/CS4 etc

[BuckeyeTexan]

You asked me to source something. Those were the sources. I care not what you think about them or me for that matter.

[butterdezillion]

I’ve looked closely now at 3 different claimed photos of the green copy that Obama allowed the press to see, as well as 6 photocopied pages in a packet that they got As far as I can tell that packet included the white copy of long-form taken from God-only-knows-where, copy of COLB, 2 pages of lawyer’s letter, one page of Obama letter, and one page of Fuddy’s response).

I can’t find any sign of a raised seal on any of those documents. I’ve saved them as PDF’s (none of which show the same kind of effects as the White House PDF has), magnified them, tipped my screen to see edge detection kind of effects, etc. The only place there is any sign of a raised seal is on the PDF that Obama posted online - with manipulation enabled - and that is a very light outline of a circle and a small squiggle in the middle of it - not distinctive enough to tell anything and it has to be highly magnified before it shows up.

All those reporters and not one of them got an image that shows even the hint of a seal. And not one of them seems to even care. Unbelievable. If any of them had the slightest concern for documenting what was really being shown them or cared one bit about OUR concerns, they would have taken a photo of any seal that existed, in relief. None of them did.

I have to pinch myself to convince myself this is real. How could a reporter not look for the authenticating marks on something like this? How could they report on this without even mentioning whether or not they saw a distinct seal? Unbelievable.

[supercat]

The first line starts higher than the subsequent line. This is not possible because the carriage return is a gear... unless the typist released the form and the re-positioned it lower, again for no apparent reason.

Such anomalies might imply that Obama's birth certificate was not typed by the same person that did the Nordyke Twins' or many others, but that wouldn't necessarily prove anything. Perhaps the person who would normally have typed Obama's form was busy for some reason and asked someone else--who wasn't particularly experienced with filling out forms--to do it. A skilled typist will get a form positioned properly and then lock it in place, but a less skilled typist may repeatedly unlock the form in an effort to improve the alignment of typed text with the form's spaces.

Anomalies such as you note are interesting, but I doubt they'll ever prove much unless one finds a glaring anachronism.

[Just mythoughts]

I have to pinch myself to convince myself this is real. How could a reporter not look for the authenticating marks on something like this? How could they report on this without even mentioning whether or not they saw a distinct seal? Unbelievable.

I am sure the Washington Post and the Huffers will get around to asking why there is NO distinct seal...

[butterdezillion]

I’m so tired I can’t even see straight so please forgive me if I screw this up, but did you say that the INS records have Sr claiming a bdate that is 2 years earlier, starting in 1962? Does that match the discrepancy in Sr’s age that is on the “long-form”? I didn’t even bother to read any further in your post because I wanted to make sure to address just this part and then I’m headed off to bed.

My suspicion was that these 2 release were companion releases, with the one meant to bolster the other. If they share the same false claim of a bdate for Sr, that raises red flags to me.

But then I’m tired and crazy apparently, for being up so late. I’m gonna regret this tomorrow I’m sure. Aagh. OK. Off to bed now.

[Brown Deer]

It would have taken longer to Fed Ex paperwork back and forth to get signatures than it did for Obama to issue a letter and send his attorney to go get the documents.

So you're saying that this had to be done very quickly after three years, why?

It would have taken longer to Fed Ex paperwork back and forth to get signatures than it did for Obama to issue a letter and send his attorney to go get the documents.

I'm not even an attorney, and know that the job could have been completed and on the way in a few hours time because I've been involved in situations of that type.

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Based on your other rude comments, you seem to have come to this thread to cause a problem with your fellow FReepers. You must most certainly agree that 0bama is not a "natural born" Citizen of this country and should not be in the White House, so either you should help us with our goals of removing him from the White House, or let us do our work, and do what you can do to help in another way elsewhere. Is that fair?

[Brown Deer]

Very interesting comment!

He did not use the birthdate of 1936 until he was at Harvard!

While in Hawaii, Barack Hussein Obama was born on June 18, 1934, which would make him 27 years old in 1961, not 25!

The new birth certificate is a fraud!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54015762/Barack-Hussein-Obama-Sr-Immigration-File

[moehoward]

But his headstone birthdate makes him 25 in ‘61. His Harvard ap is the fraud.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26647048@N00/3783303615/