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War Between the States about slavery? No way
The Tampa Tribune ^ | April 25, 2011 | Al Mccray

Posted on 04/25/2011 9:31:58 AM PDT by Iron Munro

I am responding to a column by Leonard Pitts Jr., a noted black columnist for The Miami Herald, entitled, "The Civil War was about slavery, nothing more" (Other Views, April 15).

I found this article to be very misleading and grossly riddled with distortions of the real causes of the War Between the States. I find it so amusing that such an educated person would not know the facts.

I am a proud native of South Carolina. I have spent my entire life in what was once the Confederate States of America. I am currently associated with Southern Heritage causes, including the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Tampa.

It's been 150 years since brave, patriotic Southerners drove the imperialist Yankee army from Fort Sumter, S.C. It also marked the beginning of the Confederates' fight to expel this foreign army from the entire Southern homeland.

After all these years, there still exists national historical ignorance and lies about this war. The War Between the States was about states' rights — not about slavery.

Remember, the original colonies voluntarily joined the union and never gave up their individual sovereignty. These independent states always retained their right to manage their domestic affairs and to leave this voluntary association at any time.

This voluntary union was for limited reasons such as national defense from the foreign powers, one language, interstate commerce, disputes between the sovereign states and matters of foreign affairs.

When the Southern states tried to leave this union, the Northerners had to put a stop to this. The slavery issue was masterly inserted into the movement of Yankee aggression.

We are a union of independent and sovereign states free to determine our own destiny. This sovereignty is meant to be free of Yankee federal domination and control. This should still be in principle and practice today as it was before the first cannon shots at Fort Sumter.

Slavery of any people is wicked and morally wrong. Domination of one people over another is just as evil and morally wrong.

The facts are that throughout history, just about every race of people has been slaves to another people. Slavery has always been a failed institution and a dark mark in history. One-hundred years before the first slave made it to the auction blocks in Virginia, African kings were running a booming enterprise of selling their own people into slavery. It was also customary that defeated people became slaves.

Slavery as an institution worldwide was coming to an end before the War Between the States. Slavery in America would probably have come to an end within 50 years.

The great eternal lie — that the war was to "free the slaves" — is still being propagandized today by modern spin-makers, schools and even scholars. But the facts are plain and quite evident if you were to take off your Yankee sunglasses.

The Army of the Potomac invaded the South to capture, control and plunder the prosperity of Southern economic resources and its industries. This army also wanted to put a final nail in the coffin of states' rights.

If, and I say this with a big if , the War Between the States was to free the slaves, please answer these simple questions:

Why didn't President Lincoln issue a proclamation on day one of his presidency to free the slaves? Why did he wait so many years later to issue his proclamation? Why was slavery still legal in the Northern states? Before 1864, how many elected members of the imperialist Yankee Congress introduced legislation to outlaw slavery anywhere in America?

The slaves were freed — and only in territories in rebellion against the North — because the Army of the Potomac was not winning the war and Lincoln was fearful of foreign nations recognizing the Confederacy.

The Northern states needed a war to fuel their economy and stop the pending recession. The North needed rebellion in the South to cause havoc in the Confederate states. The North wanted the hard foreign currency being generated by Southern trade.

I hope this year not only marks the celebration of the brave actions of Southerners to evict the Northern Army at Fort Sumter but leads to the truthful revision of history about the war. Future generations should know the truth.

Al Mccray is a Tampa businessman and managing editor of TampaNewsAndTalk.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilwar; confederacy; dixie; slavery
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To: Tublecane

Why? If the people of Egypt can riot, die, and overthrow a government due to high food prices why would it not make sense for the South to do the same for high taxes/tariffs which were eroding their economic power and standard of living? History is full of examples of the result of crushing tax burdens.


241 posted on 04/25/2011 3:53:06 PM PDT by yadent
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To: Tublecane

Then they soil that nest and are unhappy again. Progressive-ism does that to people. They end up hating everything and starting wars. 120 million dead and counting.


242 posted on 04/25/2011 3:54:31 PM PDT by jessduntno (Liberalism is socialism in a party dress. And just as masculine.)
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To: Alberta's Child

“I could make a case that the United States of America as envisioned by the founding fathers of this country basically ceased to exist in 1790s when the Whiskey Rebellion was suppressed”

Ever read “The Probability Broach”?


243 posted on 04/25/2011 3:55:16 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: yadent

“If the people of Egypt can riot, die, and overthrow a government due to high food prices why would it not make sense for the South to do the same for high taxes/tariffs which were eroding their economic power and standard of living?”

First of all, your argument was originally about Northern motivations. Secondly, they could, but that’s neither here nor there as my argument was simply that your post lacked logical consistency.


244 posted on 04/25/2011 3:57:57 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: phi11yguy19

“His Secretary of State Seward and other cabinet members were in constant communication with Montgomery right from inauguration. On March 15th, Justice Campbell told Southern delegate Crawford that Sumter would be abandoned in a few days and no attempt to re-provision would happen. Campbell realized after the deadline passed that he had be lied to by Lincoln’s administration and said so publicly.”

I’m still at a loss as to how this sort of thing means the North started the war.


245 posted on 04/25/2011 3:59:43 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: jessduntno

“Then they soil that nest and are unhappy again. Progressive-ism does that to people. They end up hating everything and starting wars. 120 million dead and counting.”

Uh, yeah, you said that.


246 posted on 04/25/2011 4:02:21 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: central_va; BillyBoy; phi11yguy19; DesertRhino; x

If my state (IL) wanted to leave I’d be 100% on the ‘Federal’ side.

“She” would be a worse place to live without the protection of the US constitution.

If Vermont or Hawaii wanted to leave I’d wish them bon voyage.


247 posted on 04/25/2011 4:03:25 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: jessduntno

“120 million dead and counting.”

By the way, where does this figure come from? Are you calling Lincoln a communist?


248 posted on 04/25/2011 4:03:27 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Iron Munro

Yes way. It was about slavery and the sky is blue.


249 posted on 04/25/2011 4:05:07 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Idabilly

Thanks for the ping.
How’d I miss this one?
Guess I’ve been doing too much working and not enough freeping.
I’m going to need to read through this and get caught up!
Did anybody restart the war yet?


250 posted on 04/25/2011 4:07:57 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Tagline closed for repairs. Please use the next available tagline. We appreciate your patience.)
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To: Tublecane

“Uh, yeah, you said that.”

That was the point. I thought it bore repeating. Try to MAKE people live the way YOU want them to live and you end up with dead people. You’ve heard the old joke?

Yankee: “Why are trying to make slaves outta those people?”

Yong Southern Boy: “I don’t own any slaves. Hell, I don’t know anybody that does.”

Yankee: “Then what the hell are you fighting for?”

YSB: “You’re burning down the barn and shooting all the cattle!”


251 posted on 04/25/2011 4:09:20 PM PDT by jessduntno (Liberalism is socialism in a party dress. And just as masculine.)
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To: central_va

“...Most freed slaves stayed on the farm/plantation as share croppers post-bellum...”
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Just like the poor white folk lived pre bellum and post bellum (all of my Georgia ancestors).


252 posted on 04/25/2011 4:11:38 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Tagline closed for repairs. Please use the next available tagline. We appreciate your patience.)
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To: Tublecane

“By the way, where does this figure come from? Are you calling Lincoln a communist?”

History books.

Statists have a history of that kind of thing. They fly different banners, but it ends up the same way.


253 posted on 04/25/2011 4:13:25 PM PDT by jessduntno (Liberalism is socialism in a party dress. And just as masculine.)
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To: Lysandru
I like nothing better than to hoist people on their own petards. I love orginal documents that contradict bloviation by people who should know better.

Well Mr. Petard Hoister, I guess you missed these parts:

"The people of the State of South Carolina, in convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the constitution of the United States by the federal government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the states, fully justified this state in then withdrawing from the Federal Union;"

"The constitution of the United States, in its 4th article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one state, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due." This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. "

"The guaranties of the constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the states will be lost. The slaveholding states will no longer have the power of self�government, or self�protection, and the federal government will have become their enemy. "

Like the article in the original post said, States Rights. Your deeply feeeeelt white guilt and perhaps an overly simplistic viewpoint of the issue makes you trip the trigger quickly in demanding that the politically correct response to the cause of the War of Northern Aggression was simply and solely slavery when, given ALL the facts, the only intellectually honest answer to the question of the cause of the War was, and is, States Rights. The occasion was slavery, or, constitutionally protected property rights. (If you don't get it I'll slowly try to explain it to you in future post.)

If you want to go cry about slavery feeeeel free to do so but don't pollute the debate about constitutionally protected rights with your emotionally charged hypersensitivity.

254 posted on 04/25/2011 4:14:04 PM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: Tublecane
“Militarized”? Meaning what?

See response to Bubba. He had openly promised to abandon the fort and the South agreed to allow a peaceful abandonment. The deadline passed, but they continued to give the Southern delegates excuses for delays. In the mean time Davis discovered the fleet coming in from Brooklyn to rally the fort, as well as letters declaring their intent to fortify (not to mention the action at Perkins). I guess not waiting for another truce-breaking attack and demanding the fort's immediate evacuation is "instigating" in your book. I can't help you there.

But you can’t argue the North deserved to be attacked, nor that Lincoln caused it to happen.

I never have. The "North" wasn't attacked until a couple years into the war. A port in the middle of SC which served as a tariff cash-cow was bombarded (without a casualty...not sure why that's irrelevant), and then allowed to peacefully leave upon surrender. No slaughters, no attacks, they even allowed them to salute the flag as it was lowered. Bunch of savages!

Again, who cares?

Ya may want to polish up on your law. Violating peace treaties is see as an act of aggression in preeeety much every country in the world, including ours. The point of the discussion was who was the aggressor. Seems pretty clear, but you want the evidence to be dismissed out of inconvenience.

the federal government can indeed militarize itself against a state, or at least against people within a state.

the federal government can indeed militarize itself against a state, or at least against people within a state.

"At least = at most. The constitution guarantees each state a republican form of government. Attacking a State (i.e. attacking a sovereign government) violates that. Suppressing a rebellion of individuals (like Shays, Whiskey, etc where the States asked for more help as they were overwhelmed) is completely different. That's why the Militia Acts were created.

The Constitution was a pact between states (sovereign governments) and delegated NO power to some states over the others or the common government over them all. That's the crux of your argument I suppose, but you'll be hard-pressed to support it other than unsubstantiated emotion.

Cuba did not sign the Constitution. It's a false analogy and a poor argument since they've never cashed a payment for the base out of protest.

Round and round we go, but the country was founded on a voluntary association of sovereign, republican states for their mutual benefit, with the reservation of peaceful disassociation in the case of abuse (per several ratifications, the conventions, etc). Power was separated into equal branches in the common government, and dispersed among the states, such that no single tyrant/king could control the fates of all (lesson learned from history). Lincoln removed all power from the states, acted before authorized by congress, ignored judicial rulings, even tried to have a chief justice arrested, suspended habeus corpus, imprisoned NORTHERN journalists and others who openly challenged the legality of his acts, waged war against the states, yada, yada, yada.

You think that's the country the founders envisioned?
255 posted on 04/25/2011 4:14:26 PM PDT by phi11yguy19
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To: moehoward
But say most farm implements are made by northern steel mills, and most southerners farmers..... Would not the southern farmer be impacted more, than say, a Bostonian shop clerk?

Why pick those two as examples? Why not a Charleston shop clerk and an Iowa farmer? Most southerners were farmers, but then so were most northerners, especially in the West, which was almost as agricultural as the South.

The winners and losers in the protective tariff system were not so much regions as economic groups. The South lost the most only because it had a higher percentage of the losing economic groups.

256 posted on 04/25/2011 4:18:46 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Tublecane
Sorta irrelevant, as the seperation was not peaceful.

Cute, but it was peaceful...at least under a different President, and for a few months while the new one strategized against them.
257 posted on 04/25/2011 4:19:55 PM PDT by phi11yguy19
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
by the time a trial was ready to proceed, no one much cared anymore

Please let us visit your castle in the sky some day!

We're arguing the issue 150 years later about dead men, but days after, "no one much cared" about a sick old man.

People die, principles do not. Separation of powers is essential to preservation of liberty. If you can't learn that from the 600,000 casualties of this war, you never will.
258 posted on 04/25/2011 4:19:59 PM PDT by phi11yguy19
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To: Tublecane
“Did I miss the part where the case was brought before the courts for a determination (before starting a war)?”
I’m not sure I can sustain an argument with a person who makes such statements.

Fair enough.

Though I'm not sure how our benevolent leaders decide which laws are up to their standards or not, or which ones they decide should be there when they're not. Seems like that would be a rule of man, not a rule of law.
259 posted on 04/25/2011 4:22:46 PM PDT by phi11yguy19
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To: Tublecane

Logic? Simply put, the North appeased on slavery, taxation not so much. The South, in its mind, was facing economic ruin and living standard destruction with said taxation. Connect the historical dots to see what other peoples placed in like circumstances have done.


260 posted on 04/25/2011 4:27:35 PM PDT by yadent
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