Posted on 04/18/2011 6:15:48 PM PDT by RBW in PA
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a bill Monday that would have required presidential candidates to provide their birth certificates to appear on the ballot, and another that would have allowed guns to be carried on school grounds.
(Excerpt) Read more at tucsonsentinel.com ...
No, no, no. I cannot say “no” emphatically enough.
The only part of this bill that mattered was the part that allowed legal residents or members of AZ’s House or Senate to challenge an eligibility decision in court. That is the very thing that would allow the transaction logs to be subpoenaed so that forgeries could be detected, and that would allow NBC to be defined in the courts.
This bill would do everything we need it to do. And it would make sure that a SOS could NOT make a decision based purely on politics. Brewer’s comment is the very reason why she should have SIGNED the bill.
California used to check prez candidates' eligibility
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"As stated in our previous pleadings herein, former California Secretaries of State have taken legal action to remove individuals from the ballot for failure to comply with the eligibility requirements to serve as President of the United States, although, in those cases, the issue had to do with the 'age' requirement, not the 'natural born citizen,'" the USJF said.
The filing continued with the warning, "If MR. OBAMA is not constitutionally eligible to serve as President of the United States, then no act that he takes is, arguably, valid, the laws that he signs would not be valid, the protective orders that he signs would be null and void, and every act that he takes would be subject to legal challenge, both in Courts of the United States of America, and in International Courts, and that, therefore, it is important for the voters to know whether he, or any candidate for President in the future, is eligible to serve in that office."
The case documents previously explained that in 1968 the Peace and Freedom Party submitted the name of Eldridge Cleaver as a qualified candidate for president, and then-Secretary of State Frank Jordan "found that, according to Mr. Cleaver's birth certificate, he was only 34 years old, one year shy of the 35 years of age needed to be on the ballot as a candidate for president."
USJF explained that "using his administrative powers, Mr. Jordan removed Mr. Cleaver from the ballot. Mr. Cleaver unsuccessfully challenged this decision to the Supreme Court of the State of California, and, later, to the Supreme Court of the United States."
The USJF said similarly, in 1984, Peace and Freedom Party candidate Larry Holmes was removed from the ballot.
Even in the 2008 campaign, foreign-born third-party candidate Roger Calero was removed from ballots in some states, according to elections reports.
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Isn’t there about at least 12 states with legislation?
Yes, you’re correct all bets will be off. Because if the same tyrannical forces remain all politics and discussion are frankly mute with what’s coming. It will be about the raw use of power, and we are slaves to no one. Civil war.
This bill specifically made it so that any legal resident could challenge the SOS’s decision in court. This bill takes power AWAY from the SOS and puts it in the hands of the judiciary, who alone is authorized to interpret the Constitution in matters of both law and fact.
To veto this bill is a move to insure that a SOS CAN act as a political hack, unchecked by either the people or by the rule of law.
I read the bill. It was vague and ambigous.
I’m thinking the COLB would have sufficed.
But. That’s not why she vetoed it. She vetoed it based on the power to the Sec. of State.
Or - maybe that’s what she wants to have the dumocrats believe.
This didn’t make it out of committee last year, even though it had the votes. The Pubbie decided the State had enough “ridicule” over SB 1070.
Oh, how I remember emailing and phoning her office to find out what criteria she used to be sure B0 was eligible to be on the AZ ballot. Never did get an answer. And yes, she will be overridden.
Apparently, letting the good guys carry is too scary for the hoplophobes. They are entirely comfortable letting another Virginia Tech massacre happen, though. They just wet their pants, then go on another rant against guns.
I am so sick of politicians trying to weasel their way past the Constitution.
Let the chips fall where they will. The Founding Fathers were a darn sight smarter than any of the morons who have gotten us into this mess, and if we are a nation of laws then by golly let’s follow the laws already!
So how do we contact the AZ legislators and let them know that Brewer argued against her own action? If she doesn’t want one person able to make a politically-motivated decision, then we NEED a law that allows the SOS decision to be challenged in court. That’s the only part of this bill that matters whatsoever.
And I would like anybody who would vote against this bill to tell me to my face that eligibility is not the voters’ business. I’d like them to tell that straight out to the faces of every voter in this nation. And then try winning an election.
Because of that I'm going to hold my fire a bit. If she had the history of someone like Boehner, I'd immediately be POed.
It's strange that she vetoed the bill.
If that’s the case there are more than enough votes to overide her veto.
Hmmm. Something sounds fishy.
This wouldn’t have anything to do about a lawsuit against the Arizona immigration enforcement law by Obama, Holder and the UN?
One hand washes the other?
Strange and scary world we live in.
Gee, what a surprise. I’ll bet right now not a single state will force Obama to show his birth certificate for 2012.
I think AZ House member Seel(?) is a key legislator who headed up the Bill. He should have a good idea in the next day or two if this veto would be overridden.
I am with her on FB as well, although maybe not for long. This is one of the rare occasions when she has not posted one word there about an action of hers.
OK People....let’s get ALL the info before we get into sticking pins into the Jan Brewer doll....
It should be noted that the long knives are also out for many important Republican legislators here in Arizona based on the whole Fiesta Bowl fiasco. They are after Russell Pearce, and if he goes down, the whole legislature collapses. The focus for each is probably their own political lives right now.
Looks like RINOS rode the the rescue and made sure she vetoed the birther bill.
You should continue to be her "fan" if you're reason to "unlike" her it only to punish her. I learned that a while back. There was a time when I would hesitate to be Bill O'Reilly's "fan" but now I see it differently. Unless you are a fan you cannot post criticisms or suggestions or links to stories he ignores on his wall.
Believe me the most far left people are out there are "fans" of Sarah Palin and the others only for the purpose of bashing them on their own Facebook page. If we "unlike" republicans, the left have free reign and could actually cause the candidate to get a false sense of support on an issue that in reality conservatives would be very against.
By the way, on my fake FB accounts I'm a fan of Barack Obama and I'm always posting comments comparing his words then to his actions now. I even posted a chart (I found here on FR) showing the unemployment rate going up since Reid and Pelosi had taken over back in 2006.
But if you want to "unlike" her because her messages showing up on your wall are annoying, well that's a different story.
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