Posted on 04/13/2011 3:25:29 AM PDT by MadMitch
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/features/Scots-and-the-American-Civil.6750042.jp
IN May, 1864 a young Glaswegian by the name of Bennet Graham Burley stared at the dark, dirty water rising up through a grille and flooding over the floor of his cell and considered his alternatives, neither of which were good. He could remain in this dank, filthy cell in the Union prison on Pea Patch Island in the middle of the Delaware
Thanks! I used Paint shop pro 7 and made a raster layer that I set to “color” then I colored it using just estimated colors what I thought his skin and other stuff should look like, then I merged the layer then used RGB adjustments on sections, then used contrast/brightness/gamma adjustments, just experimental touch and go stuff, what ever made it look good. Oh yeah and after I got just the basic skin color I used different shades of skin color to lightly brush over it like making his nose red (which I read somewhere he had). I tried Photoshop once but that thing just annoys me, it uses up so much space and processing/memory power. Paint shop pro is so much simpler, at least for me, the whole program is only 44 Megabytes! plus I don’t have to read 9000 pages of documents to learn how to use it LOL! I trying to do William T. Sherman now when I can get the time, but getting his hair right is really tough.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac94/Naomid_02/William-Tecumseh-Sherman2a.jpg
Maybe there is something in photoshop that can do it more easily but I can’t be bothered to learn it. Hey if you know how be my guest and see if you can make it better, even that Lincoln one. I know photoshop has a ton more stuff to work with.
I also wonder (although this story doesn’t mention it) if the Scots’ intervention on the confederate side had anything to do with their historic antagonism against the Irish. Irish immigrated by the boatload during the Civil War years. Most of them were “encouraged” to join the Union Army because jobs were scarce. In the old country, the Brits traditionally hired the Scots to “oversee” their estates in Ireland. Scots were notorious as harsh overseers and it would seem natural that they would not choose the same side if they wanted to join the conflict over here.
thanks Freeper..never knew what the Lincoln statue looked like.
Edward I only temporarily ‘conquered’ Scotland.
In fact, the English were never able to permanently conquer Scotland, be it Longshanks or even Cromwell. Unlike Ireland and Wales (conquered permanently in 1607 and 1284).
There is a Scottish saying: ‘occupied many times, but never conquered’.
You do realise the Scots are Brits too, right? I know there’s a quaint notion that the English were the slavish colonial masters and the poor wee Scots were the oppressed, but one only has to look at the inordinately large percentage of Scottish in the British East India company to dispel that notion once and for all.
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Sorry, but whats you posted is nonsense.
Firstly, the Scots and Irish historically were allies until the 17thC. The Scots fought for Ireland from the 12th to early 17th centuries, most famously the ‘gallowglasses’, or Western Scottish/West Highland mercenaries.
The Irish helped fight the English in 1296, and of course Celtic/Scots-Irish history stretches back to BC /early AD times. The Cruthin and Dalraidic kings of Ulster had a kingdom which stretched over sea from north Ireland to west Scotland.
There WAS only one antagonism in that period, when Edward Bruce, Robert’s brother, landed in Ireland in 1318 and raised an Irish army to a—help Scotland and b—liberate Ireland (Robert the Bruce wanted a pan-Celtic alliance of a free Scotland, Ireland and Wales). Many Irish supported it, but some Anglo-Irish fought him and the landing was unsuccessful. Ironically, the Scots at home beat the English and even successfully launched punitive raids/invasions of England in 1318, 1319 and 1322 where they won several victories on English soil.
The antagonism between scot and irish didnt start until the (protestant)former transplanted to north Ireland in 1607. And even then Catholic Scots and more liberal Protestant Scots at home had no problem with the Catholic Irish.
And even then there is evidence in Ulster itself that the ‘new’ Scottish settlers and some Catholic Irish intermarried in the 17th C, so even the undoubted antagonism (which most famously flared up in the 1641 Catholic rebellion) wasnt quite as wholesale as legend has it.
In fact even in 1641, the Catholic Irish armies attacked far more the English settlers and English troops than Scottish families.
Secondly, the Scots were NOT ‘overseers’ in Ulster. They were a buffer zone between the English and the Catholic Irish. The ‘plantation of Ulster’ in the 17th C happened under the Stuart kings who ruled Britain, and of course the Stuarts were Scottish, notably James VI of Scotland/James I of England, Wales and Ireland. And it happened because of bad famines in Scotland which left many Scots, esp in the south and west, champing at the bit to try new fertile lands.
They were not overseers, they were simply the people who unlike English settlers to Ulster, were willing to work the land in NI south and west of Belfast and by default became the ‘buffer people’.
In fact, despite their hard work, the Scots/Ulster Scots/Scots-Irish/Scotch-Irish were so arrogantly treated by the predominantly English elite in both Ulster and Britain that in the 18th C alone, 275000 at least emigrated to America alone (excluding Canada, Australia, Scotland and England) and became the backbone of the rebellious forces in 1776....
‘if i am to die, then let it be with the scotch-irish of my native virginia...’
—George Washington, 1779
Fortunately a good 90% of them successfully fled Great Britain for greener pastures elsewhere. Still, that initial period in the 1700s was a bear wasn't it.
Some old notes on Ireland that may be of interest:
a-—’Historian Brendan O’ Buachalla has stated that in the 17th and 18th centuries,there was extensive intermingling and intermarriage between the new Scots settlers and the ‘native’ Irish,so that by the 19th century,there existed in Ulster several population groups,apart from many individuals scattered here,partly of Irish descent,partly of Scottish descent and Irish in language and belonged to one of the Protestant faiths’
Ian Adamson ‘The Identity of Ulster’ (1982) page 15
b—’The fact that many native Irish became Protestants is well illustrated for example by the Hearth Money Rolls for the Presbyterian parishes of Stranorlar and Leck in Donegal for the year 1665,as well as the by the presence of old Cruthinic names such as Rooney,Lowry,MacCartan and MacGuinness in the records of the Episcopalian Diocese of Dromore in South and West Down.Representatives of other well-known Gaelic families abound.Murphys,Maguires,Kellys,Lennons,Reillys,Doghertys and many others are quite numerous.Historian Brendan Adamas has shown that quote “a large part of the native Irish became absorbed in areas such as the North Down into the various Protestant faiths” ‘
Adamson The Ulster People(1991) page 60
c—’Neither must it be assumed that all the Scottish emigrants to Ulster in the Plantation were Protestant.For some were Scottish and English Catholics.Thus a letter from the Bishop of Derry to the Lord Earl of Abercorn in 1692 says that “Sir George Hamilton since he got part of the Popery there,has brought over priests and Jesuits from Scotland”.Historian A Perceval-Maxwell has shown that within just a generation one of the most sucessful parts of the ‘Protestant’ Plantation was in fact led by Roman Catholics’
Adamson(1991)—page 60
ATQ Stewart,THE historian and authority on Ulster history:
‘There was much intermarriage,with or without the benefit of the clergy than convential history makes allowance for.Many planters became Catholic and many natives became Protestant.
It is a gross and emotional oversimplification to see the Ulster Plantation in terms of ruthless Protestants seizing land and chasing the Catholics into the bogs and the hills.
In fact,history and recent archaeology shows us that in fact a very substantial proportion of the original population was not disturbed at all’
‘The Narrow Ground-Studies of Ulster History’(1986)
They were a sort of personal body guard and frequently accompanied him as "shock troops". These are the guys walking about Valley Forge without shoes in the snow and cold. Ignorning for a moment the fact the artist used the faces of his friends, the boat load of fellows taking Washington across the Delaware were mostly part of his closest guards.
They were entirely different than the Scots and others from warmer climes. A few thousand hours work digging through genealogical records reveal they were pretty much the descendants of the captives who arrived on the Kalmar Nyckel in 1638 (and other boats later) to serve as a population for the Swedish colony of New Sweden.
They've all subsequently been well intermixed with the Highland Scots ~ but it was the Brits who connived with the Swedish nobility to depopulate the Sapma and take people to America to work for free.
By the time the English speaking minority had finally figured out the Brits were screwing them too there was already a large army waiting for the call to rise up for freedom and independence.
A note to others looking for Scottish POWs ~ Senator Hale Boggs paid for a tremendous study of the records at the Port of Baltimore. You should be able to find the materials just about anywhere these days.
Interesting, but I'm not so sure. Britain (and Scotland) were probably uncertain at first, then pro-South, then pro-North. In the beginning there might have been a tendency to stick with the status quo, but were there really strong pro-Union pro-US feelings in the first days of the war?
The 69th, along with the 63rd and 88th NY constituted the Irish Brigade...here's their monument at Gettysburg...
They were the forebear of the "Fighting 69th" Infantry Regiment commanded by Bill Donovan when he earned his MOH in WWI, before going on to head up the OSS. An interesting side note is that monument was sculpted by an Irishman who had immigrated to Louisiana and fought for the Confederacy at Gettysburg.
I’m sorry if you think that what I write is nonsense. I draw on the impressions that come from innumerable historic novels that I have read over the years — both about life in Ireland and life in the US, as well as examples from my own Irish/Scots/English/Swedish heritege in America, dating from 1607.
Would you prefer that I call the Scots “managers”? They managed the English estates in Ireland. They managed the slaves in the South in the US colonies. They managed slave ships on the sea. And they were prolific inventors and businessmen.
Didn’t Gen. Alexander state that there were huge shortages in percussion caps?
From Celtic Crosses
I'll try and find out.
My mistake, it was the 79th New York that was the Highlander regiment. They were in Sherman's brigade at Bull run (as was the 69th incidentally)
No battle or skirmish was ever lost because of ammo shortages. Yes units ran out of ammo because of poor logistics but not because the ammo didn’t exist.
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