Posted on 02/16/2011 7:38:10 AM PST by Rational Thought
A new poll shows just over half of likely Republican primary voters question where President Obama was born. What’s up with “birtherism” and why does it have such staying power?
The evidence shows Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama released a “Certification of Live Birth,” a document produced by the state of Hawaii certifying the state holds records that a person was born there.
Further, two Hawaiian newspaper announcements from 1961 tell of Obama’s birth. Janice Okubo, a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, told the Honolulu Advertiser in July 2009 that such newspaper announcements were based on notifications from the Health Department, which received information directly from hospitals.
The certification of live birth Obama released is legally sufficient documentation to apply for a U.S. passport, but it’s not the same thing as a “long form” birth certificate, called a “Certificate of Live Birth” in Hawaii. That document is issued by hospitals and includes additional information not on the certification.
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And, WHY are records in Kenya and Indonesia also sealed???
Do you have a credible source that the court has ordered that. Also, what source do you have that the adoption was annulled???
Yes.
I was responding in a more general way. There was at one time (probably still is for that matter) some confusion as to which hospital he might allegedly have been born at. I'm sure all this has been done in any case. It's not like the media is interested in reporting the truth. They got their candidate in office, and now they have to protect him at any cost, no matter how much they have to make themselves look like idiots without a single curiosity bone in their body. (a strange way for a 'reporter' to be eh?)
No question that that is right for the State-Run and Dung Head Media, but one has to wonder what is going on when some in the so called "Conservative" media is on the same page, wrongly, hmmm???
Yes, I realize it’s spread beyond the fringe of the Republic party, much to the detriment of both the GOP and the conservative movement. However, I’ve seen little evidence to suggest it has spread to voters who are even remotely likely to vote Obama. If and when that happens, Obama will quell the controversy. Until then, it benefits him to divide his opposition by keeping the controversy going.
This is why the leftists are going berzerk. They know that they will no longer be able to stop Emporor Obama from being exposed as the king of the frauds. The lefties force respectable people to accept liars like Richard Blumenthal (lying about service in VietNam) and BJ Clinton (I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky...) to be our elected official serving in the public trust.
Tell me curioristy, are you for open government or only open government when the opposing party is in control of the levers of power? Not to mention the media being complicit in the building up a candidate since 2004 spewing a total fabrication of him as being the offspring of the improbable love of a son of a goat herder from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas (never mind meeting the constitutional eligibility requirements).
How are YOU going to feel when you have to finally accept that this exotic, intellectual that you voted for in 2008 was really just Barry Davis, son of a communist, bisexual, pornographer father and a porn queen mother who hated America.
I see an appearance on Oprah TV in Obama’s near future, a “coming to jesus” moment to throw his white mother under the bus and the adults for keeping this information away from him until after his real father passed away.
Sympathy please (violins in the background).
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askshow/2011/02/17/the-andrea-shea-king-show
Interesting...especially tha part about the hospital built ove the border in Canada. Listing Obama as the father may have had the additional motiviation to secure free health care in Canada as part of the British Commonwealth, as well as to protect FMD as the real father.
Isn’t it interesting that after 5 children and a lengthy marriage with Canfield, they split in 1970 for some reason. Wasn’t that the time Barry returned from Indonesia? Did FMD finally spill the beans as to being the biological father to Barry to her and Canfield freaked out???
Doctors deliver about 800 babies each year at the hospital. The old maternity ward opened in 1960 and required seven women to share one shower, with no place for new dads to sleep except the floor.
Umm, with all the lawyers representing a case against Obama, Obama has NO lawyers defending HIM in court??
Race, you have to understand the mind of an alinsky. When they speak, they obfuscate. So it/he/she states Obama hasn’t spent any money hiding his birth certificate. It’s partially true. Because the money is not only spent hiding the BC but also every other document associated with him.
ANY CANADIAN FREEPERS OUT THERE???
If yes, are there comparable FOIA laws in place in Canada?
If yes, can any Canadian Freepers make a FOIA request at this hospital to check on recorded births in 1961 for Obama/Soetoro/ Davis/Dunham?
Doctors deliver about 800 babies each year at the hospital. The old maternity ward opened in 1960 and required seven women to share one shower, with no place for new dads to sleep except the floor.
Curiosity, you have no proof whether Evans is or isn’t “a proven liar”, and because of that I consider your statement to be libelous.
Abercrombie said to a reporter that an “investigation” had shown that there was actually something written down in the State Archive. The State Archive would be the last place to look, since the only thing it would have - according to the Vital Records Office/HDOH retention schedule - is 75-year-old COHB’s and registrations of foreign birth. If the “investigation” led to the Archives you can bet your bottom dollar that it did so because there was nothing in the HDOH office nor the hospitals. So Abercrombie as good as stated HIMSELF publicly that there was no birth certificate for Obama.
The HI legislature as much as confirmed that also by introducing a bill allowing them to make up their own record of birth for Obama, without having to follow the rules for vital records and putting a STATE seal on it rather than the HDOH seal that is for legitimate vital records. So much for due process. That’s basically saying out loud and proud that Obama doesn’t have to follow the same laws as the rest of us peons; he can be certified by the state with no evidence whatsoever. The ONLY reason for a bill like that is if the legislators know there are no records for Obama, because current Hawaii law ALREADY requires the disclosure of whatever Fukino was looking at when she came up with her 2 public statements regarding Obama’s records there.
The one with no credibility here is you, and I don’t appreciate you so quickly libeling Mike Evans, whose story mirrored what Abercrombie had basically already told a reporter.
There's another major problem with this story. According to the Polk directories in Honolulu and Seattle, Obama's mama went by Ann or Anna. It's pretty doubtful anyone would have been calling her Standley in the hospital. The only way Dr. West would know her legal name is if he actually delivered the baby and signed the birth certificate that doesn't seem to exist.
Of course I do. Either he lied the first time, when he said Abercrombie personally told him there was no birth certificate, or he lied the second time when he said he never spoke with the governor. Either way, he lied one of those two times, which makes him a proven liar.
Seriously, why are you putting so much faith in the word of celebrity gossip talk show host?
Probably because there's dearth of evidence from any Hawaiian official being able to vouch for Obama's jpg.
I have posted the same information before myself , it appears that obama sent a”team” to Kenya and Indonesia prior to his election to “clean” his records prior to him running. There is no question that obama was born in Kenya, but obama bought the right people off and it will be difficult to prove it.
Obama has concealed all pertinent fact about his life and should have been subpoenaed 6 years ago.
Glass is raised to you - what an exquisite and classy evisceration done in the name of truth!
So Twit, when is a lame/main stream media type going to come out by asking Obama to where he was born, and ask him to authorize the media to see his original birth certificate?
You know Twit, to finally get Obama on record stating he was born in Hawaii instead of having the same stupid talking heads at MSPMSNBC talk among themselves. All this going through a third party from his mouth pieces like Roberta Gibbs is all BS. And moreover, have the Lame Press ask him about all the other associated questions about his hidden past that swirl around the country like his social security numbers?
When is this going to happen OBot? It just that easy so what is the problem with the media?
I realize that you hate to hear it over and over and I apologize in advance for causing your panties to get all in a bunch, but Obama’s birth certificate can be released without any input from him by a court order or via a congressional subpoena.
I think that a better question than looking to the Obama loving liberals in the mainstream media for help is why didn’t any conservative Republican chair of a committee of the House of Representatives issue a subpoena for Obama’s birth certificate within the first hour of the first meeting of the 112th Congress? And why hasn’t such a subpoena been issued to this very minute?
My apologies. I thought you were saying Evans had lied when he said he had spoken to Abercrombie.
Much more likely that he lied when he then denied that he had spoken to Abercrombie and denied that he had even CLAIMED to speak to ABercrombie (which we know is not true).
I don’t feel right about calling somebody a “proven liar” when it seems obvious that they were threatened into changing their story. It’s a little bit like calling a POW a “liar” when they say on videotape that they are being treated well.
That’s also why I don’t feel good about bashing the conservative TV and radio personalities even when they bash “birthers” because if Doug Hagmann is correct it’s been documented that they were threatened with loss of career as well as possibly life, limb, or family if they didn’t behave in that way.
I even feel badly about calling Janice Okubo’s communications “lies”, although I did suggest to her that there are witness protection programs for people like her who just want to live their lives without committing crimes - and she apparently didn’t accept that invitation, although it seems to have rattled her a little.
Why do I believe what Mike Evans said?
1) Because it matches what Abercrombie told a reporter - who actually even summarized his meaning in a parenthetical statement rather than quoting him verbatim, which also suggests that Abercrombie is blurting out more than the Obama-protecting MEDIA is willing to put on the record. It DID get on the record, however, that Abercrombie said there will be trouble for Obama’s re-election because of what he found out Obama’s records and lack of records.
2) Because Evans didn’t seem interested in protecting either Obama or Abercrombie, and that seeming lack of agenda makes him refreshingly credible.
3) Because a Freeper recounted the story of Evans saying on radio that there were helicopters overhead even though it sounded crazy for him to say so; later it was found that there had been some kind of practice involving helicopters there. That shows that he says it like it is without worrying about how it makes him appear, which is refreshingly credible.
4) Because he said it on-air in a perfectly transparent way on multiple radio broadcasts. Pretty stupid thing to do if it’s a deliberate lie. Especially when your livelihood depends on credibility. The only reason he continues to be credible enough to be on radio is because even the radio stations know he was threatened into claiming he “misspoke”.
5) Because it matches and explains the actions of the Hawaii legislature, as I explained in my previous post.
6) Because this whole subject of Abercrombie’s statement/actions is surrounded by people lying/changing their stories: the AG saying they can’t release Obama’s records when it’s actually required, HDOH Director Palafox being said to be investigated for Medicare fraud when he wasn’t told he was under investigation, Abercrombie’s office saying he didn’t ask Palafox to resign and then later admitting that they had, and Janice Okubo claiming Palafox quit for personal reasons when Palafox was saying he had no idea why he was resigning. I bet Palafox has a very special understanding of why Mike Evans changed his tune. I’d sure like to hear Janice Okubo explain why she said Palafox resigned for personal reasons when Palafox wasn’t saying that at all.
the waters are getting too muddied we all need clarity.
obama was born in Kenya. Obama is a british subject. His stepfather took him to Indonesia.
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