Posted on 02/16/2011 7:38:10 AM PST by Rational Thought
A new poll shows just over half of likely Republican primary voters question where President Obama was born. What’s up with “birtherism” and why does it have such staying power?
The evidence shows Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama released a “Certification of Live Birth,” a document produced by the state of Hawaii certifying the state holds records that a person was born there.
Further, two Hawaiian newspaper announcements from 1961 tell of Obama’s birth. Janice Okubo, a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, told the Honolulu Advertiser in July 2009 that such newspaper announcements were based on notifications from the Health Department, which received information directly from hospitals.
The certification of live birth Obama released is legally sufficient documentation to apply for a U.S. passport, but it’s not the same thing as a “long form” birth certificate, called a “Certificate of Live Birth” in Hawaii. That document is issued by hospitals and includes additional information not on the certification.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...
Geez, I didn't know that FR went that far back in time. No zotting and no ozone but boilig oil instead!
Yes, that’s very commendable. A man gotta do what a man gotta do. That doesn’t mean a woman shouldn’t!
Thanks a lot for your readily prepared links. But I’m afraid that’s very hard for me to click on because I’m so damn old, I gots me no steenkin’ index finger pressure no more!
I’ll assume that I won’t believe the ol’ recycled talking points and made up info.
I’m old school, I assume you and your pals have no curiosity (no pinging for a word, not a screen name) to find out how Brilliant is the One and only through his school records that if truly outstanding, they would have been shoved down our throats hourly to prove how a bunch of dummies the US population is.
As a professor, I would like to grade 0b0z0’s education records. I suspect the records should be grated like a parmesan cheese.
Professor Alinsky, grades are Red, Brick Red, Crimson Red, and anti-American Bright Red. PS. If I see education RECORDS w/grades/GPAs I will click on it with my middle finger that has plenty of pressure. No offense.
Wonderful idea! Did you, Mr. or Ms. Conservative, try or are you swimming in the deep blue ocean? If not, did any of your Archconservative friends take your advice?
Again, did you run out of links on education records? One of the most ducked questions in history! Seems like a winner to me. Crickets?
Papa Alinsky, Professor in waiting
You've been posting on these threads since 2008. So when did you take on this viewpoint future zot? I've got an idea when you did so to give yourself a thin veneer of cover.
I have no idea what the future will bring. I make no claim to being psychic. If evidence leads to criminal charges, a grand jury or a congressional committee investigation will be convened.
Yes OBot, we know you're just a twit spouting nonsense. There is plenty of evidence against Obama to start an investigation.
It doesn’t take much intelligence to know that grand juries providing evidence for indictments are the best way to really impact a presidency and especially to impact a president.
Who runs grand juries these days? That would be government prosecutors. Some one once said, "If it is not a runaway Grand Jury it's not a real Grand Jury."
Moreover OBot troll,
From the Creighton Law Review:
"A 'runaway' grand jury, loosely defined as a grand jury which resists the accusatory choices of a government prosecutor, has been virtually eliminated by modern criminal procedure. Today's "runaway" grand jury is in fact the common law grand jury of the past. Prior to the emergence of governmental prosecution as the standard model of American criminal justice, all grand juries were in fact "runaways," according to the definition of modern times; they operated as completely independent, self-directing bodies of inquisitors, with power to pursue unlawful conduct to its very source, including the government itself."
Without independence from the cowardly meek and corrupt government prosecutors, grand juries won't go anywhere despite the evidence against Obama.
there are no issues of standing to get in the way of a criminal investigation by any prosecutor with the courage to launch such a probe.
Nice that you recognize this fact OBot, and just as I said, they don't have the intestinal fortitude, and therefore, you take this BS position to fool people that 'you care'.
Ok, my question is when was Fukino arrested for illegally looking at the long form? It’s a criminal act for someone other than the person themselves to have access to the COLB. Plus, if Fukino saw it, why did Abercrombie say it doesn’t exist? They can’t both be telling the truth.
Wonderful idea! Did you, Mr. or Ms. Conservative, try or are you swimming in the deep blue ocean? If not, did any of your Archconservative friends take your advice?
Again, did you run out of links on education records? One of the most ducked questions in history! Seems like a winner to me. Crickets?
Papa Alinsky, Professor in waiting
As I already said, I think that the only way to gain access to Obama’s school records will be via a subpoena. He has everything of a personal nature locked up good and tight. So sorry, no links.
I take just a teeny bit of personal credit for going to a 2009 town hall meeting with my Republican congressman and asking a question that may have prompted him to ask the Congressional Research Service to issue a report on Barack Obama’s eligibility. However that report pushed my congressman over to the anti-birther side of the debate.
Again, I’ll probably never know for certain whether my question to Congressman Bilbray had any impact on him asking the CRS to look into the issue or not.
Little OBot Jameseeeee sinks in an ocean of truth.
This "post card" Certification was available to anyone on their word alone, in the keystone Kops Hawaii during the transition from territory to Statehood, doofus.
Meaningless.
Further, two Hawaiian newspaper announcements from 1961 tell of Obama’s birth. Janice Okubo, a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, told the Honolulu Advertiser in July 2009 that such newspaper announcements were based on notifications from the Health Department, which received information directly from hospitals.
The spokesman lied, doofus.
You never dealt with territorial incompetence, have you.
That's not proof. Show us the paper trail. People who lived there and went through similar process at the time assert differently.
Professor Mel, Obama’s educational records may be under tighter lock-down than our national security secrets, but we do know a few things. If you’d like to see Obama’s intellect and academic abilities eviscerated, here is a good link:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/is-obama-stupid-and-lazy/
To whet your appetite, here is a question taken, verbatim, from an exam prepared by the Constitutional Law lecturer Obama:
“Law week, two men, Richard and Michael, walked into you office and asked for your help.
You learn that they are a monogamous, gay couple who have been living
together for the past ten years. Both men are successful architects, and after devoting the past decade on their respective careers, they have now decided that they want to marry and raise children together.”
Feel the brilliance. Admire the intellect. /s
As you read further in that section of the article, you can’t help noticing that Lecturer Obama is obsessed with homosexuals and their practices that other people find “distasteful” and “disturbing”. Pretty creepy, huh?
PS: The article’s author digs up references to Obama admitting outright he benefited from AA. Any suggestion otherwise is just Obot propaganda.
You’ve been posting on these threads since 2008. So when did you take on this viewpoint future zot? I’ve got an idea when you did so to give yourself a thin veneer of cover.
How about you? What do you think is the best way to resolution given all of the obstacles that you point out.
No I don't assume that. I'm merely pointing out that there's a reasonable chance that everyone who had enough contact with him and his mother during the delivery to remember the encounter is dead. It's been fifty years, after all.
That takes us to education records. No former students who attended the schools 0b0z0 supposedly attended at the same time remembers him
That's not true. Several classmates have said they remember him, as does a teacher from his high school.
except maybe one or two paid pals
What evidence do you have that they were paid?
Hollywood movies huh? Before 1946, Obama would have been indicted by a grand jury under the avalanche of evidence against him. Grand juries are no longer independent OBot. And for your information BOt, the word "runaway" grand jury is a BS term that was created by a federal rule change. See below:
"A presentment is generally drafted from the knowledge and findings of the jurors themselves, rather than a prosecutor, and signed individually by each juror who agrees with it. A presentment at common law stood public with or without approval of a prosecutor or court. In the early days of the Republic, the Attorney General hinted that a federal prosecutor was obliged to indict upon the presentment by the grand jury.[96] Thus, Rule 6 represented a monumental — and deliberate — change of grand jury practice.[97] Orfield's peculiar use of the term "runaway" grand jury in the committee notes may mark both the advent of this term into the legal lexicon[98] and the loss to history of true grand jury independence.[99]"
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/runaway.htm
As for me caring, if Barack Hussein Obama II was to be indicted, impeached, tried, convicted and removed from office tomorrow, so be it. If he is exonerated and finishes out his term, so be it. I care ONLY about resolving the issue one way or the other. In my personal opinion a Grand Jury investigation with subpoena power is the best way to accomplish that.
BS. After literally thousand of postings over the years in defense of Obama troll-BOT, I highly doubt you have changed your spots. You just take a position you think covers up the rest of your BS. You'll be back to protecting your Obama and getting paid by Soros.
I think it's highly unlikely that EVERYONE working there that day is dead. However, it's also pretty unlikely that EVERYONE working there would remember him and his mom. I seriously doubt that the receptionists and orderlies would remember them, as such people have very little contact with patients. Neither would nurses and physicians assigned to other patients.
The only people that would likely remember him and his mother would be the physicians and nurses who were assigned to his mom over the course of her labor. Given the amount of schooling required for such jobs, there's a pretty reasonable chance they were all middle-aged at the time, and hence not alive now.
See the question asked in #53 regarding a marker being placed at the place of birth.
In point of fact, I believe the state of Hawaii has put something outside the Kapiolani clinic to this effect, though I don't remember where I read this. Kapiolani also proudly displays a signed letter from Obama indicating that the hospital is his birth place.
And before you go off claiming that he's also claimed Queens hospital as his birth place, let me put that myth to rest. Neither Obama nor his half sister Maya ever said he was born there. The whole Queens hospital story was started by some college kid who made it up when editing a Wikipedia entry, which then was plagiarized by some hack reporter at UPI, as well as some a high school kid writing a story in a student newsletter.
Hollywood movies huh? Before 1946, Obama would have been indicted by a grand jury under the avalanche of evidence against him. Grand juries are no longer independent OBot. And for your information BOt, the word “runaway” grand jury is a BS term that was created by a federal rule change. See below:
“A presentment is generally drafted from the knowledge and findings of the jurors themselves, rather than a prosecutor, and signed individually by each juror who agrees with it. A presentment at common law stood public with or without approval of a prosecutor or court. In the early days of the Republic, the Attorney General hinted that a federal prosecutor was obliged to indict upon the presentment by the grand jury.[96] Thus, Rule 6 represented a monumental — and deliberate — change of grand jury practice.[97] Orfield’s peculiar use of the term “runaway” grand jury in the committee notes may mark both the advent of this term into the legal lexicon[98] and the loss to history of true grand jury independence.[99]”
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/runaway.htm
As for me caring, if Barack Hussein Obama II was to be indicted, impeached, tried, convicted and removed from office tomorrow, so be it. If he is exonerated and finishes out his term, so be it. I care ONLY about resolving the issue one way or the other. In my personal opinion a Grand Jury investigation with subpoena power is the best way to accomplish that.
BS. After literally thousand of postings over the years in defense of Obama troll-BOT, I highly doubt you have changed your spots. You just take a position you think covers up the rest of your BS. You’ll be back to protecting your Obama and getting paid by Soros.
Its time to give up and move on. There is no one with standing on the civil side and there are no legitimate grand juries to indict on the criminal side.
I am left to wonder however how a federal grand jury under the skillful direction of US Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald was able to indict Democrat Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich and provide enough evidence of criminal malfeasance that a Democrat controlled legislature in Ilinois impeached, tried, convicted and removed Blagojevich from office in less than two months.
I guess that Grand Jury “ran away” in the right direction!
The answer to your question is that your premise is wrong. No one has spent any money hiding his birth certificate. That is a birther myth.
Neither of which change the fact his father was not a U.S. Citizen.
So if a long-form birth certificate wouldn't convince you he's eligible, why are you surprised that he won't release it?
Good Lord, you’re like a broken record. Do you have any new, more compelling arguments? You seem to just continually spew the same crap on every thread.
Even Russia thinks Obama is illegal
Biggest coverup in the history of this Nation.
http://www.newsland.ru/news/detail/id/598042/cat/94/
LOL. Well, if Kreep says it, it must be true! /sarcasm
If your boyfriend, Mr. Obama, was even half a man, he would release his own records to the press and quell the controversy—as many other politicians have done.
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