The oceans, clouds and cosmic rays drive the climate, not CO2 ( Dr Noor van Andel ....)

JoNova ^ | February 1st, 2011 | Joanne

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Some heavy reading....

[DLfromthedesert]

So what will Obama do about cosmic rays?

[ConservativeMind]

Worthy of a ping.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

With his complexion....guess he will absorb them without getting burnt.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Looking at the Slide Set:

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All climate models have dangerous positive feedbacks

Observations [ERBE] show a large and safe negative feedback

[RobRoy]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: CO2 affects the climate like cold ashes start fires.

It is a byproduct, not a cause.

[TexasTransplant]

It’s the Sun? Our Magnetic Field? The Moon? Plate Tectonics?
The Ocean?, The Earths Flora and Fauna?, Gravity? Cosmic Rays?

Sheesh who woulda thought it wasn’t Man? /S (don’t even know why I had to add that)

TT

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

“Look here brother,
Who you jivin’ with that Cosmik Debris? “

[steelyourfaith]

Thanx Ernest_at_the_Beach !

 

Beam me to Planet Gore !

[TexasTransplant]

Whoops I forgot to Ping Algore

TT

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Gonna try to pull the statements on the last slide an get them here:

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concluding:

• Rising Outgoing Long-wave radiation with more than 3.7 W/m^2 per oC SST cannot be the effect of rising CO2 or of the increase of other “greenhouse” gases. Rising OLR/SST with 8.6 W/m^2K means that the atmosphere has become more transparent to IR radiation in the past 60 years. The “greenhouse effect” has become less.

• Solar constant and the properties of water determine our climate

• Rising surface temperature is tightly controlled by increasing wet convection and concomitant upper tropospheric drying

• No observational evidence for influence of CO2 on past or present climate

• Strong observational correlation of solar magnetic activity with climate temperatures, presumably via cloud condensation nucleation and albedo

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

That’s terrible...he would hate to miss reading this.

[TexasTransplant]

In the end “WE” ie mankind cannot effect or affect the Earths Climate if we tried.

TT

[Steely Tom]

Cosmic rays photons, though not as plentiful as the longer-wavelength photons that stream toward us from the sun, carry a lot of punch.

"Like the one that just struck my right eye"

[The Comedian]

"Space Energy/Solar Weirdness" ping.

Ping list dealing with odd space phenomena and solar events.

FReepmail me if you want on or off

The Comedian's "Space Energy/Solar Weirdness" ping list...

Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.

[oh8eleven]

The oceans, clouds and cosmic rays ...
The Baby Boomers - I knew it!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I want on that ping list...and that LOGO is excellent!

Funny too.

[djf]

Theoretically it MIGHT (massively underline MIGHT) affect temperatures in much higher concentrations.

But let’s get serious. Pick 10,000 random molecules out of the air.

How many are CO2?

1000?
nope.
250?
nope.
100? Out of ten thousand?
nope.
50?
10?
nope.
nope.

out of ten thousand molecules THREE OR FOUR MIGHT BE CO2!!

So we’re gonna get boiled alive if all the sudden there were five or six? Out of TEN THOUSAND?

No way in creation does this make sense.

Oh, and as an aside, what type of organic molecule is the most prevalent on the planet?
A complex polysacharide, which is a fancy way of saying a type of sugar.
We call it CELLULOSE.
Cellulose is about 30% of the biomass on the planet.
Made by plants.
Out of sunshine and CO2

[Quix]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Soooooooooooooooooo

How often can I comfortably ask about your dissertation?

LOL.