The oceans, clouds and cosmic rays drive the climate, not CO2 ( Dr Noor van Andel ....)

JoNova ^ | February 1st, 2011 | Joanne

[Gator113]

Hey there,

I’d like to be on your ping list.

“Ping list dealing with odd space phenomena and solar events.”

Thanks,

Gator113

[SuziQ]

Cosmic ray ping!

[TigersEye]

Some heavy reading....

It sure is. Great stuff though and definitely bookmarked for reference.

[olezip]

Dr Noor van Andel spoke at the Dutch Meteorological Institute (KNMI), provocatively concluding there is no observational evidence for the influence of CO2 on past or present climate. He has released a high caliber slide set. He is the former head of research at Akzo Nobel.

Bravo! Dr. Noor van Andel supports the findings of many responsible USA meteorological scientists.

Many scientists agree with the good doctor that carbon dioxide is really NOT a global greenhouse gas, and should not be presented as such, especially in the concentrations that exist today. Water vapor and clouds are the primary drivers of climate change, as driven by the Sun, whether it be cosmic rays or variations in solar radiation, or magnetic field changes, or distance from the Earth.

[TigersEye]

“But the Globull Warmers got the crystal ball!”

[SouthTexas]

"Using empirical evidence", novel idea eh? Imagine, actually using real evidence instead of manufacturing your own.

More is coming.

[susannah59]

It is heavy reading, but interesting.

I do have a question, if someone can explain this is words of one syllable.

Whenever someone mocks global warming by mentioning the bad winter weather much of the country has been having, someone else usually pops up saying "You are just ignorant and don't understand the difference between climate and weather."

Now, my understanding of this science is not deep, but I thought that the difference between weather and climate was basically a matter of time. One bad winter might be an anomaly, but a series of them might indicate a climate change. How, then, can someone say that another is "ignorant" for pointing out what the weather is doing? After all, haven't the proponents of man-made global warming/change/whatever the current term is done just exactly that?

[r-q-tek86]

Ping

[SuziQ]

[TheOldLady]

Tax them, of course. What else? Have you paid your “fight cosmic rays” tax yet? No? You will.

[TheOldLady]

Wait! Wait! I'm having trouble corralling those 10,000 molecules and counting the CO₂'s

[Marine_Uncle]

"With his complexion....guess he will absorb them without getting burnt."
ROLF...then add a second level LOL. Heheh. Pretty good.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Every now and then...I actually get a bit of humor out....but it is rare...thanks.

Guess it is alll those years of heavy technical training.

[Marine_Uncle]

Actually as I read the original question.. I had an almost identical response to prepare until I looked down a few posts and saw you already elucidated the answer. Heheh.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Ernest_at_the_Beach and The Comedian.

[SouthTexas]

You pretty much have it in the bag, the AGW crowd, not so much.

It's been the same argument since the global cooling run in the 70s, almost verbatim with the change from cooling to warming.

Here's where it gets difficult. A post from earlier today on everything supposedly caused by global warming: Post 17.

[UCANSEE2]

I would suggest that...

The Sun is the engine and the clouds,oceans, and cosmic rays are the tires, suspension, and brakes. The Jet Stream is like a highway that constantly moves. There are many factors which affect ‘climate’, and the ‘climate’ is not locked to the surface of the planet. It can, and has always changed.

[UCANSEE2]

In the end “WE” ie mankind cannot effect or affect the Earths Climate if we tried.

"Just give it another try. I'm sure it will start raining."

[susannah59]

Oyster herpes? Tabasco tragedy? If I had only known!!

They left out halitosis, bathtub ring, and maybe a couple of other things, but give them time.

I can remember the global cooling nonsense from the '70s. We were supposed to all have been frozen to death by now, with glaciers covering a big chunk of the US. I suppose that is one reason I have been an AGW skeptic.

Glad to know I'm not off so much on weather/climate.

[UCANSEE2]

Everything is made out of Sunshine.