Posted on 01/30/2011 2:26:12 PM PST by fabrizio
LONDON -- Hundreds of disillusioned Anglicans were preparing Sunday to defect from the Church of England to the Roman Catholic Church in time for Lent, Sky News reported.
It follows a campaign by a former Anglican bishop in protest at its stance on the ordination of women and gay clergy.
Father Keith Newton has encouraged Anglicans to join the Ordinariate -- a special branch of Catholicism established by the Pope -- to welcome protestant defectors.
Despite the efforts of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Anglo Catholics have begun leaving following the conversion of three Anglican bishops in mid-January.
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Clearing up misunderstandings about the Church is like the labors of Sisyphus. Not to mention ill intentioned attacks (Did you catch the John Paul II in Hell thread before it was yanked an hour ago?)
Oh, I noticed the Pope created a new denomination to accommodate these people.So much for your gift of discernment there Theo.
“In Henry’s case, the problem was he had already had to go to the Pope to marry his first wife, Catherine of Aragorn, inasmuch as the marriage would have been considered incestuous, because she was his brother’s widow.”
LOL...well I hope you aren’t looking to me to defend Henry’s virtue. Then again, I wouldn’t expect you to defend the Popes virtue at the time either in naming Henry “defender of the Faith” - which at the time was the Catholic faith.
I’m sure the fact that the Pope was related to the King of Spain had nothing to do with his favoritism of Spain over England.
Yeah, I know, but it’s one of the spiritual Works of Mercy, right? :-D
“I don’t think St. Thomas More and Bishop St. John Fisher would agree that a question of foreign policy was all that was at stake—as opposed to the sanctity of the sacrament of marriage and the teaching authority of the Pope—when they chose to go to their executions rather than change their minds.”
There was plenty of Catholic kindling and Protestant kindling put to flame around that time, let’s not kid each other. More and Fisher were certainly men of Faith and not politics - the Pope was a politician as much as he was a man of Faith. He had to be.
Again - it’s a testament to our founding fathers that they enshrined freedom of religion in our Constitution. They knew what both kings and popes were capable of and wanted no part of that.
Ah, you don’t like with someone throws the “many denominations” argument back against Roman Catholicism, do you? :-)
Out of curiosity, a question for you: How many “denominations” are there within the “Protestant” tradition?
See my comment #46 re. “denominations.”
Hi RFEngineer,
from http://www.britannia.com/history/monarchs/mon41.html
“The court life initiated by his father evolved into a cornerstone of Tudor government in the reign of Henry VIII. After his father’s staunch, stolid rule, the energetic, youthful and handsome king avoided governing in person, much preferring to journey the countryside hunting and reviewing his subjects. Matters of state were left in the hands of others, most notably Thomas Wolsey, Archbishop of York. Cardinal Wolsey virtually ruled England until his failure to secure the papal annulment that Henry needed to marry Anne Boleyn in 1533. Wolsey was quite capable as Lord Chancellor, but his own interests were served more than that of the king: as powerful as he was, he still was subject to Henry’s favor - losing Henry’s confidence proved to be his downfall. The early part of Henry’s reign, however, saw the young king invade France, defeat Scottish forces at the Battle of Foldden Field (in which James IV of Scotland was slain), and write a treatise denouncing Martin Luther’s Reformist ideals, for which the pope awarded Henry the title “Defender of the Faith”.”
Yawn.
Typical. See my comment #40.
Actually, I think the two agendas, the “feminist” and the “homosexual” are the same.
They both want to downplay the fact that men and women may be equal but they are not the same.
They both want to push their beliefs that men and women are interchangeable and not different in any way.
Well said.
The Jewish rabbis taught that the dust of heathen cities defiled, and the symbolical action of shaking off the dust of the feet indicated that any person or city rejecting the apostles’ words was no better than the heathen.
Faith of our fathers, Mary's prayers
Shall win our country back to Thee;
And through the truth that comes from God,
England shall then indeed be free.
(Reflecting Faber's Catholic roots, the original third stanza.)
An apt comparison to say the least.
They have been fighting for decades; the fight is over.
“Mass Defection”
Pun intended?
The French Religious Wars occurred in the middle of his reign, and they started WITHIN the family ~ the leaders on both sides were his cousins. The later 30 Years War also found the same family mixing it up hither and yon. Like to note here that EVEN the Swedish crown had more than it's fair share of Bourbonaise families in its background ~ even back to the first Vasa King's Great Grandmother.
What you do is start with the Angevin Vespers (1282) when that regime was first driven from Naples and Sicily (King of the Two Sicilies) and roll forward 300 years to 1582, and you have an incredible period of fast population growth, incredible economic development, constant warfare within Europe and between Western Europe and Eastern Europe, and the Mongols and Turks, and finally the Thirty Years War where the shape of nation states was finally established in the body of treaties and agreements called the Peace of Westphalia.
During that entire period of time essentially one family pulled all the levers in each and every country.
By the time you get up to Charles II of England(etc) every head of every country also had in his or her ancestry an early Magyar prince. Otherwise it was still the same crowd who were, as I mentioned, virtually all redheads with bad tempers!
Welcome home to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church!
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