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Man linked to Giffords shooting called 'very disturbed' (rejected for military)
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 1/8/2011 | Tim Steller

Posted on 01/08/2011 4:45:31 PM PST by markomalley

The man linked to the shooting today of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others is 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, the Associated Press reported.

Police have surrounded a house at 7700 N. Soledad Ave., which is the address listed by a man with the same name on a variety of online accounts and in the volunteer registry for the 2010 Tucson Festival of Books. The home is near West Magee Road and North Thornydale Road on the northwest side, about five miles from the shooting scene.

A former classmate of Loughner at Pima Community College said he was “obviously very disturbed.”

“He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts,” said Lynda Sorenson, who took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College’s Northwest campus.

Sorenson doesn’t recall if he ever made any threats or uttered political statements but he was very disruptive, she said. He was asked to leave the pre-algebra class several times and eventually was barred from class, said Sorenson, a Tucson resident.

MySpace, YouTube and Facebook accounts maintained by Loughner suggest he has spent most of his life on the northwest side: His profile says he attended Thornydale Elementary, Tortolita Middle School, Mountain View High School and Pima Community College.

The online accounts also contain bizarre discussions of a new currency and literacy, as well as threatening and despairing messages.

“WOW! I’m glad i didn’t kill myself. I’ll see you on National T.v.! This is foreshadow .... why doesn’t anyone talk to me?..” he posted on MySpace Dec. 14.

On Dec. 13, he wrote: “I don’t feel good: I’m ready to kill a police officer! I can say it.”

In a posting on YouTube, Loughner wrote repeatedly about a new currency.

“I’m thinking of creating a new currency,” he wrote. “Therefore, I’m thinking of a design for my new coins size, shape, color, material, and image to start a new money system.”

He also wrote repeatedly about literacy. In a written message on YouTube, Loughner said: “The majority of people, who reside in District-8 are illiterate — hilarious. I don’t control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure.”

In a message posted on his MySpace account, titled “Goodbye friends,” Loughner said: “Dear friends...please don’t be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven’t talked to one person who is literate.” It was unclear when it was posted.

In a MySpace profile, Loughner said “My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college.”

He lists among his favorite books “Mein Kampf” and “The Communist Manifesto”. But he also includes a broad variety of other titles, including: “Animal Farm,” “Brave New World,” “To Kill a Mockingbird,” and “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”.

In another YouTube message, Loughner said: “I know who’s listening: Government Officials, and the People. Nearly all the people, who don’t know this accurate information of a new currency, aren’t aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn’t have happen.”

“In conclusion, my ambition - is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I’m conscience dreaming! Thank you!”

In a youtube.com video dated Dec. 15, entitled “Introduction: Jared Loughner” the accused gunman describes himself as a U.S. military recruit who had applied to join the Army. The Army, however, said it rejected Lougher as a recruit in 2008.

Loughner’s youtube video makes a rambling mention of “MEPS in Phoenix” a reference to the Military Entrance Processing Station in the state capital that all Arizona recruits from every branch of service pass through before leaving for basic training.

“Every United States military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one mini bible before the tests,” it said.  “Jared Loughner is a United States military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix. Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

“I didn’t write a belief on my Army application and the recruiter wrote on the application: None.”

First Sgt. Brian Homme, who oversees Army recruiting in Tucson, said Loughner applied to enlist in December 2008 and was sent to Phoenix to take a test and physical. But “he was found to be unqualified so he never joined the Army,” Homme said.

He declined to say why Loughner was rejected, citing confidentiality laws.

Jared Loughner has had at least two minor run-ins with police, according to on-line court records.

In October 2007, Loughner was cited by the Pima County Sheriff's Department for possession of drug paraphernalia, a charge that was dismissed in November 2007 when he completed a diversion program.

One year later, in October 2008, Loughner was charged with a "local charge" in Marana Municipal Court, that charge was also dismissed following the completion of a diversion program in March 2009.

Court records indicate the Marana case file is due to be purged in December 2013. It's unclear what the exact charge was.

Grant Wiens, 22, attended Mountain View High School with Loughner, although they were not in the same grade.

Wiens also took a class at Pima Community College with Loughner, where they occasionally talked, he said.

“He was a guy in high school who definitely had his opinions on stuff and didn’t seem to care what people thought of him,” Wiens said. “He did his own thing.”

Ryan Miller, 19, was a sophomore at Mountain View when Loughner was a senior.

He said Loughner was seemed like a normal kid.

“I was in shock,” he said, describing his reaction to the shooting. “I didn’t know what possessed someone our age to do something like this.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: giffords; jaredloughner
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1 posted on 01/08/2011 4:45:31 PM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley
Thank God he was not in the military. When the TV mentioned he was former military, I foresaw another Tim McVey story in the making. As it is, bloggers are blaming Sarah Palin, so I am reading. Why is she being involved/--EXCEPT that THE LEFT IS THE LEFT and she is Palin.

vaudine

2 posted on 01/08/2011 4:50:08 PM PST by vaudine
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To: markomalley; darkwing104; Jim Robinson

Not Military.

Rejected.


3 posted on 01/08/2011 4:50:48 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: markomalley

Most schizphrenic breaks happen in the early twenties...sometimes drugs precipitate the event. It will be interesting to see what his mental health history was...and as for medications, he could refuse to take medications and appeared nominally functional enough not to be institutionalized.

final comment: there is no prediction of violence...prior violence is the only factor that would suggest future violence.


4 posted on 01/08/2011 4:57:33 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok....Joke's over...Bring Back Bush!)
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To: markomalley

Jared reminds me of the NIU shooter, Steven Kazmierczak, who was “let go” by the army.

And I wonder if Jared used to watch Jarod on the TV series The Pretender

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pretender_%28TV_series%29


5 posted on 01/08/2011 4:57:35 PM PST by syriacus (Progressives say US "occupation" angers Muslims. Will the same Muslims warm to our openly gay army?)
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To: vaudine

Some of these bloggers need to be very careful, Sarah Palin could sue the ass off quite a few of them about now.

I’d say Markos at Kos is in very sticky ground right now, he out and out insinuated Palin caused this equivalent to pulling the trigger , libel and slander is very serious in something like this.

Someone needs to take that lot down.

I’d sue their butts off.


6 posted on 01/08/2011 5:00:58 PM PST by sunmars
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To: markomalley
“WOW! I’m glad i didn’t kill myself.

I wonder what he means by that. Didn't BoyBlue the Kos Kiddie say he tried to commit suicide?

7 posted on 01/08/2011 5:02:01 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Repealing ObamaCare is the next "Big ****ing Deal"! Let's Roll!!!!)
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To: markomalley
On Dec. 13, he wrote: “I don’t feel good: I’m ready to kill a police officer! I can say it.”

You would think that sites like Myspace could have some sort of scanner that would flag potentially dangerous nutcases. I think this could be done without conflicting with any Constitutional issues. These people are already stating their intentions. But sometimes nobody notices.

8 posted on 01/08/2011 5:03:15 PM PST by wideminded
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To: markomalley

This was posted by someone else on the thread about Jane Fonda- not sure if this is real but looks like it could be as other information has been verified that matches up. So, is he a gay liberal? Will the MSM report this if this is really from his Facebook page? If he had been a member of the Tea Party, it would be all over the media.

From Jared Loughner’s Facebook Page (his profile was scrubbed minutes after this scrape, — and no mention of military service of any sort)


Jared Loughner
Has worked at Child Protective Services
Studied at Pima Community College
Lives in Tucson, Arizona

Education and Work
Employers •
Child Protective Services
College •
Pima Community College
High School •
Mountain View High School
Class of 2006
Basic Information

About Jared
Love hunting trolls and children, I want to be a woman one day...

Most people just don’t seem to understand me, but I’m gonna prove to you all how wrong you are...

My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college!

Fools who don’t understand the law are bound to suffer under it!

Sex Male

Interested In Men

Jared only shares some profile information with everyone. If you know Jared, add him as a friend or send him a message.
Facebook © 2011 • English (US)


9 posted on 01/08/2011 5:03:36 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: markomalley

Schizophrenia. We used to institutionalize the insane. Sad all around.


10 posted on 01/08/2011 5:04:09 PM PST by thesharkboy (<-- Looking for the silver lining in every cloud, since 1998)
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To: vaudine

The truth does no matter to the Hard Left. They will still say that he was in the military, just as I predict that they will try to make stuff up further about “Tea Party” involvement. “Fake, but accurate”.


11 posted on 01/08/2011 5:04:13 PM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes.)
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To: markomalley

The Washington ComPost said that he was ex-military in an article linked at Drudge earlier today. They must have pulled it since. I wonder if they bothered to admit their mistake—or lie.


12 posted on 01/08/2011 5:05:00 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sunmars
"He lists among his favorite books “Mein Kampf” and “The Communist Manifesto”.

Yeah, sure sounds like a Tea Party Member to me! LOL!

13 posted on 01/08/2011 5:06:56 PM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: markomalley
“I’m thinking of creating a new currency... therefore, I’m thinking of a design for my new coins size, shape, color, material, and image to start a new money system.”

Sounds like delusional Nancy Pelosi.

14 posted on 01/08/2011 5:09:16 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

“Interested In Men”

Hmmm...


15 posted on 01/08/2011 5:14:08 PM PST by NucSubs
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

That FB profile did not exist until AFTER he was named as a suspect.


16 posted on 01/08/2011 5:14:28 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
"He lists among his favorite books “Mein Kampf” and “The Communist Manifesto”."

"Interested in men."

Leftist, gay, and violent. I'm shocked!

17 posted on 01/08/2011 5:15:45 PM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: markomalley

I’ve seen it reported that he was upset with the people “who can’t speak English” in the 8th District. That’s a low different from what he really said. Being unable to speak English is implying that he hates Hispanics. What he really said was people were illiterate.


18 posted on 01/08/2011 5:16:40 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: Keith in Iowa

What???


19 posted on 01/08/2011 5:17:00 PM PST by NucSubs
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To: vaudine
As it is, bloggers are blaming Sarah Palin, so I am reading. Why is she being involved/--EXCEPT that THE LEFT IS THE LEFT and she is Palin.

You're right. Utterly irresponsible for the Left/Media to be bringing Sarah Palin's name into this.

I even heard CBS radio news --a national news organization-- drag Palin's name into their report on this crime, as if she had something to do with it.

The only Palin associations whatsoever with this crime are fabrications, posted on the fraudulent websites being put up hastily by Leftists.

How can I be sure they're fraudulent? Well, they purport to be postings composed by the shooter -- but they spell his name wrong! (E.g., "Laughnan," as first misreported by the media).

20 posted on 01/08/2011 5:18:36 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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